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Some of the best ghost footage ive ever seen...or is it?

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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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lol.. okay you don't see all off the attic ( yes you do much off it). you don´t see at the can but if you put your head rigth then in the first place he is up there because.... yes off a sound from the attic, then he shows us all that there isint any up there, he do film much but not the can. i can't say why ! maybe because it is real and he don't know that the can gonna fall down.. and ANSWAR me this if u have seen the whole clip ( of his movie as u say ) what about the GITAR thats get trowend up on the box when the ligth is off.. and U do hear him run down and u see and hear on the camera that the door close.. maybe if u put your glassed on u see much more off the CLIP.. not a movie. but if it turns out that all of this is fake then he is Super at what he does.. but when u do not look at all and listen too all sounds. it IS ESAY too say FAKE !!!!!!!!!!!! AND yes i have read all the posts in this thread. and it make me sick that u do not get proff if all that u and the others saids is so easy..

i will try show u all what i mean by GITAR..




posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
No insult intended but the comment about winning or losing


In the end, fake won out

is childish as nothing here is won or lost but maybe disproven, which does not apply here.
As for skimming through the last 8 or 9 pages I did and read the first 4 or 5 entirely. You can believe what you want but I am not without my merits and as far as being new, it means nothing to me as a perspective.
Thank you for your invitation.



First , dont get me wrong. I wasnt trying to imply that your being new meant that your perspective was some how lower than mine. Because that is simply not true. Your perspective is just as good as anyone elses. I was merely welcoming you to ATS, as it is the polite thing to do...

I think you will see, If you havent already, that most people on this site will give you a fair shake no matter what.

As far as my saying "fake won out" I could rephrase it if it helps. Let me say it like this , In my opinion there was far more and far better evidence that the videos were faked.

also since you did read the most of the thread and skim through the rest I would like to apologise as I was wrong. My mistake.

Peace friend

[edit on 28-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

[edit on 28-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]


Just wanted to repost this apology incase it was missed by bDaedal4ever



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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first time u see it.. the GITAR when he is looking around..



2th time bofore the can moves or what:.... the head of it



WHAT... the gitar at where the can was.. or close.. EXPLAIN thanks




posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:48 PM
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What I don't understand is why this has anything to do with the fact that if you study the poltergeist videos, you can see this guy has none of the talents to pull off the so called fake scenes. He records a couple of related films that are just that and that debunks his other claims. I see your point somewhat because this guy presented this information in such a haphazard way that it does look faked.
He has a low credible nature to his character but does that give reason not to study the film forensically.


[edit on 29/7/08 by bDaedal4ever]

[edit on 29/7/08 by bDaedal4ever]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by kadara_dk
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
 


lol.. okay you don't see all off the attic ( yes you do much off it). you don´t see at the can but if you put your head rigth then in the first place he is up there because.... yes off a sound from the attic, then he shows us all that there isint any up there, he do film much but not the can. i can't say why ! maybe because it is real and he don't know that the can gonna fall down.. and ANSWAR me this if u have seen the whole clip ( of his movie as u say ) what about the GITAR thats get trowend up on the box when the ligth is off.. and U do hear him run down and u see and hear on the camera that the door close.. maybe if u put your glassed on u see much more off the CLIP.. not a movie. but if it turns out that all of this is fake then he is Super at what he does.. but when u do not look at all and listen too all sounds. it IS ESAY too say FAKE !!!!!!!!!!!! AND yes i have read all the posts in this thread. and it make me sick that u do not get proff if all that u and the others saids is so easy..

i will try show u all what i mean by GITAR..





First, I hope I dont misinterpret what you are trying to say, here. I had a little trouble reading what you typed. So If I misunderstood I apologise in advance.

You are right. You do see most of the attic. But you have to realize that most is not all. In the little bit that was not shown on camera ther could be alot we are missing. there is a brick pillar near by the can that falls. This brick pillar is exactly what we dont get to see all of.

We dont get to see behind it we really only get to see one side well. There could be a number of things on the other side of that pillar out of view of the camera. a person for example.

Also when you say gitar, I assume you mean guitar ( the stringed musical instrument)

When the light that is behind the camera goes off ( keep in mind we dont see how it gets turned off) the guitar gets thrown up a few seconds later. It comes from behind the pillar. the one place that we did not get a complete view of from all angles.

I want to point out to you that I DO believe in ghosts. I dont however believe that these videos are real.

When looking at videos such as these, I always take the skeptics approach though. Why? because it allows me to see other possible ways that the things seen on camera could happen.

Once again, I had trouble understanding what you typed So if my response has nothing to do with what you said I apologise.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
 

What I don't understand is why this has anything to do with the fact that if you study the poltergeist videos, you can see this guy has none of the talents to pull off the so called fake scenes. He records a couple of related films that are just that and that debunks his other claims. I see your point somewhat because this guy presented this information in such a haphazard way that it does look faked.
He has a low credible nature to his character but does that give reason not to study the film forensically.


[edit on 29/7/08 by bDaedal4ever]

[edit on 29/7/08 by bDaedal4ever]


I never said that it shouldnt be studied. In fact the point of this whole thread is to provide evidence of it being either fake or real. to study and learn so we can better deterrmine in the future wheter or not a video in question is fake or not.

all ive done is present evidence that these videos could be faked. keep in mind ive said evidence, not proof. evidence. If I said proof that would indicate that we have proved 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt one way or another. which we havent.

Anyway, The fact that he makes movies is a pretty big piece of evidence here. atleast I think so.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by kadara_dk
first time u see it.. the GITAR when he is looking around..



2th time bofore the can moves or what:.... the head of it



WHAT... the gitar at where the can was.. or close.. EXPLAIN thanks



See how in the first picture we never fully see the other side of the pillar? thats what I mean. the video stops just short of showing whats on the other side of the pillar.

there could be a number of things on the other side that threw the guitar. a person for example.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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my bad... Guitar


try look at picture 1.. u see behind the can and there is nothing and the can is just at the Left... i don't get what you thing we are missing in that little spott we don't see.. a person no. no one there and maybe but your brigtness up when its get dark and u cleary see the guitar been trowing up.... and u can hear One pull the string too the light scoure before its get dark and when get back on.. i do not life there but i am a eletricter ( or have worked as one ) so i know a little off it here in dk and don't thing yours is so much diffent then over here... but who not him if he is scared...



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:10 PM
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OMG dude stop it and u have said u believe in GHOST and u still thing there is one up there.. you see all off the attic, but not the CAN.. see picture 1 and 2.. no person at the pilles!!



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by kadara_dk
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
 


my bad... Guitar


try look at picture 1.. u see behind the can and there is nothing and the can is just at the Left... i don't get what you thing we are missing in that little spott we don't see.. a person no. no one there and maybe but your brigtness up when its get dark and u cleary see the guitar been trowing up.... and u can hear One pull the string too the light scoure before its get dark and when get back on.. i do not life there but i am a eletricter ( or have worked as one ) so i know a little off it here in dk and don't thing yours is so much diffent then over here... but who not him if he is scared...


What do I think im missing in that little bitty spot just big enough for a person to hide? I just dont know how to explain it any simpler.

Can you really not see how it is possible for a person off camera to turn off the lights or for a person hiding in that spot about 3 feet wide to throw that guitar?

If not I just dont know what else to say.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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LOL


Just wanted to repost this apology incase it was missed by bDaedal4ever

I saw the first one seconds afer you posted. No need to have concern, one of my best friend's a foe.

As for the 'skeptics', I do not believe in ghosts(at least not in the everyday context of the meaning). This is an anomoly for me. One that I have history with. I will continue to give this credibility based on my own abilities to study it digitally. I challenge anyone to give this to a credible CGI professional and audio engineer. I don't claim to be either but I have talent and have done my homework. Now I'm tired of this so I'll be taking a walk down to Waikiki beach and maybe make my own film of something less controversial.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by kadara_dk
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
 



OMG dude stop it and u have said u believe in GHOST and u still thing there is one up there.. you see all off the attic, but not the CAN.. see picture 1 and 2.. no person at the pilles!!


Stop what? Im just trying to defend my opinion. Please dont take it personally as I mean no offense.

You say that there is nothing behind the pillar (brick wall) but how do you know? You cant see completley behind it.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
 

LOL


Just wanted to repost this apology incase it was missed by bDaedal4ever

I saw the first one seconds afer you posted. No need to have concern, one of my best friend's a foe.

As for the 'skeptics', I do not believe in ghosts(at least not in the everyday context of the meaning). This is an anomoly for me. One that I have history with. I will continue to give this credibility based on my own abilities to study it digitally. I challenge anyone to give this to a credible CGI professional and audio engineer. I don't claim to be either but I have talent and have done my homework. Now I'm tired of this so I'll be taking a walk down to Waikiki beach and maybe make my own film of something less controversial.


Oh ok. I just wanted to make sure. I just dont like having people upset with me ( but then again, who does?). Im glad we are cool.

as for the rest, fair enough. I too have invited anybody and everybody to pic these videos apart in order to provide evidence for whatever they believe.

I hope people continue to do so.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

[edit on 29-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

[edit on 29-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:21 PM
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This is real. If you don't beilive it, you're scared or in denial. 100%



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by siggarocky
This is real. If you don't beilive it, you're scared or in denial. 100%


Denial? Scared? Im neither. But as Ive said numerous times, I believe in ghosts, but I dont believe in these videos.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by siggarocky
This is real. If you don't beilive it, you're scared or in denial. 100%


Can you offer some reasons why you're 100% convinced they are real?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
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you obviously haven't talked to anyone with any CGI experience who has studied the frames to detect editing anomolies. You are just making statements which are obviously incorrect. As far as the sound, there is a discrepency that you can get your experts to view on their software but I doubt you know or have spoken to any
frame time begins and ends:
00:02:49.543 - 00:02:49:633
It coincidently occurs just before the camera loses focus momentarily. It might be something to with the household current fluctuating but it is odd that the two events do not coincide exactly. Film maintains consistency during audio drop down(never really goes out).


that is ok. you did not even attempt to answer my question so i guess we will each have to agree that the other one is full of it. no biggy, your opinion, mine, whatever. i am however still interested in an actual answer to my question, just out of curiosity. evidence of the extensive years of cgi work that went into the video would be cool too. thanks

[edit on 7/29/2008 by re22666]



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:15 AM
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You are asking me to reveal my process of examination. Lol, maybe you can get someone you know to look at the audio time frame you have quoted me as saying and give me thier professional perspective. There is no CGI evidence in the video. Take it to someone who really knows. It shows up more easily in compression. Before you continue debating with me, download the vid to your harddrive and view the paper towel scene in slowmo at full screen. Explain to me how you would go about editting those frames and incorporating the reflections.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
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You are asking me to reveal my process of examination. Lol, maybe you can get someone you know to look at the audio time frame you have quoted me as saying and give me thier professional perspective. There is no CGI evidence in the video. Take it to someone who really knows. It shows up more easily in compression. Before you continue debating with me, download the vid to your harddrive and view the paper towel scene in slowmo at full screen. Explain to me how you would go about editting those frames and incorporating the reflections.


ok you did not read what i said and i will not sit and argue this with you. i asked you a question. you refuse to answer it but seem to enjoy mentioning how little you are willing to do to answer it even a little. i also stated that it would in now way "TAKE YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPENSIVE CGI KNOWLEDGE, TRAINING, AND EXPERIENCE" to do that. i never said special effects were not involved. i simply stated that you are giving this man far too much credit and if your friends are so impressed by his work, then i submit they are not very talented. that is fine. you see what you want. you analyze the audio for anomolies and since you cannt even expand on that process a little. i will go back to assuming you are just as full of crap as most people here and move on. the videos are fake for a plethora of reasons, the last thing i will do is argue with someone else about how well trained the guy doing the faking is. i submit, he needs far more training, you submit that he is an experienced, talented cgi guy. ok



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 01:07 AM
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re22666, I don't even know where you are coming from. I never gave this guy any credit for his CGI talent, just the opposite of talent. Then you simply try to tell me to prove myself while you do no work of your own but point your finger at my non-disclosure of methodology. Never have you stated that you have taken the time to view the film in a frame by frame manner so you have no credibility whether you know what you are doing or not. And very much so it would take years of talent as a professional with the equipment to edit each frame in many of the scenes. It just shows me that you have no one to show your proof of dismissal to.

I'm not here to prove who I am to you but if your not too busy maybe you could examine the video yourself more closely. If you go back a page or two and read my other posts, that would help you understand what I have stated.




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