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Originally posted by Yeats23Therefore, I find it hard to swallow that this guy, who authentically cares for his dogs would then intentionally scare her just to fake a video. If the video's a fake, he's a jerk. If he scared his dog, on purpose, to fake it, he's a giant jerk.
if there are any people reading this who have done paranormal investigations proffesionally. If so what is your professional opinion?
Originally posted by Coopdog
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
I lived in a house where exactly the same sort of phenomena went on. I hope you have better luck than we did, because that was twenty five yrs ago, and we are still haunted, not in a scary way, but they are still here. But back when we first encountered them, it was terrifying, and I witnessed exactly the same phenomena. The closet door slamming closed the last inch or two gave me goosebumps, I seen that as I was walking by my own closet one day. Scared me to death.
The stuff flying around up in the attic, been there done that, and I was down the stairs just as fast as him with no more valor than him either lol. You just don't know how you will react to something out of the ordinary like that until it happens. Once it does you never look at the world in quite the same way.
Like I said, we later gained a familiarity with these spirits. We know of two and maybe three or more. Probably more if my instincts are good. More later, but I have to get ready for work now. I need to read the thread, all I had time to do was watch the vids and reply.
Originally posted by re22666
i do not understand this argument that the video has to be recreated to be proven a fake. i did not even give the paper towel roll a second thought. the dogs, the bad editing, to BAAAD acting, the convenient camera placements, the convenience of leaving the camera on the one time a ghost shows up. or does he just buy new batteries all the time, they are not cheap. everything about these videos screams fake but that is my opinion. and i have no problem with people thinking it is real, i just do not get this, "recreate the three flips of the paper towel roll" nonsense.
if i go and videotape the moth in my garage. i guarantee you that you cannot recreate that video. you will not get a moth to do those exact movements, in my exact lighting, no matter what you do. not even with cgi. so does that mean that since the moth is real, my cat will confirm that for you, and i really taped it, then you must be able to recreate it somehow? not every thing can be recreted. so why is that a standard of proof at all?
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Are you talking to me? If so I think you are confused, because I wasnt making an argument.. I never said it HAD to be reproduced to prove it was fake. I asked if anyone thought they could reproduce what was on the tapes. I asked only because I was curious to see how the people of ATS might go about recreating what was seen on these tapes. I asked because I wouldnt have the first clue when it comes to recreating this stuff. No argument was made. Not intentionally anyway
I hope that clears up your confusion.
Peace!
[edit on 26-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]
Originally posted by re22666
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Are you talking to me? If so I think you are confused, because I wasnt making an argument.. I never said it HAD to be reproduced to prove it was fake. I asked if anyone thought they could reproduce what was on the tapes. I asked only because I was curious to see how the people of ATS might go about recreating what was seen on these tapes. I asked because I wouldnt have the first clue when it comes to recreating this stuff. No argument was made. Not intentionally anyway
I hope that clears up your confusion.
Peace!
[edit on 26-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]
man, people are defensive here. it was not a direct reply to you was it?
i did not quote you and reply did i?
i did say "around here" right?
ok so befor you go on with your defense, you should have stopped at, "was that directed at me?"
no.
even when im not looking for a fight with anyone in particular, someone on ATS gets defensive. i had no problem with your post. i would have directed it at you, i would have been specific. reading over the whole thing, i see the "recreate" argument put forth as the only realy proof more than a couple of times. i was addressing that. that is why i worded it the wat i did. if you took personal offense, id appologize but im not sure why you thought it was to you anyway so, no need to appologize.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
By the way. It would be kind of nice to know who it was actually directed at. I hope you now understand why I thought it was directed at me
[edit on 26-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]
Originally posted by re22666
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
By the way. It would be kind of nice to know who it was actually directed at. I hope you now understand why I thought it was directed at me
[edit on 26-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]
seriously? forget it then. if you can post so much, try reading what some of the other people who took the time to read and post here have said. it will not take long at all to find the first person i am referring to. if you keep going, you wil quickly find more. so if your intent is to NOT offend me, how about you dont come back at me when i never addressed you, nor did i even say anything that anyone who READS would confuse with addressing you. i thought you had interesting valid posts. now you want me to prove to you who i was talking about since you first thought it was you and it started this curmuffle? sorry i came to this post. sorry i read what other people wrote. i did not know this was all about you and even though you cannot be bothered to read posts, you read mine and wanted to argue about it.
the funny thing is, i liked all your posts. there were just a couple folks that were acting like brats with this prove it crap and i figured they would know who i was addressing. i thought ANYONE WHO READS THIS THREAD would know who i was talking to. so sorry i posted a thing.
Originally posted by re22666
let me just say that i found this thread really interesting in the first place and that is why i was reading it all at once. sorry for replying to people pages back without specifics. it was just a general thing i saw more than few times that i was addressing in general instead of going through name by name or whatever. i am sorry for the confusion. i honestly just meant the jerks that seem so bent on believing that they resorted to saying "then you recreate it. lets see you make the paper towel roll flip 3 times exactly the same way.." and on and on. they are back there. it is a stupid argument.
i really like the idea of asking people to try to recreate the footage and send it in and i eagerly await what folks come up with. i think that is a cool idea. i in no way meant to insult you, that post, or take attention away from your post asking for recreations.
it was two totally seperate issues and i never meant any offense to the OP. nice thread, starred and flagged. and yeah, send in recreations, i cant wait to see them. if i ever get my new graphics card, i will try one.
anyone reading this post, please read gimme some truth's previous post, i kinda stepped on it the first time around so i want to make sure it gets seen.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Because in science , to Prove something, you HAVE to recreate it.
Thats part of peer review.