Bush Family Fascist Connection revisited

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posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 11:10 AM
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Yes, sorta barely and on his mother's side so it really doesn't matter. I have more connection to the Queen of England than he does to Lincoln (My ancestory on my mother's side is a direct lineage on her father's side, from the Duke of Essex, or Sussex, beats me it was a long time ago, but he was cousin to the current royal family
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But of course it's way more than 11 times removed so I don't get to stay in the buckingham palace like someone ELSE WE KNOW


Anyways....The point of the matter is that Bush Jr. was Raised by his Father whom fought against tyranny, not supported it.

Sincerely,
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posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 11:26 AM
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LMAO!!!!!
Poppy Bush, Mr. Honorable?

The man the 'Cancer Man' on the Xfiles was modeled after?
The man who had to fire several of his campaign bigwigs for having Nazi affiliations in his presidential campaign?
The man who had to PARDON HIMSELF before he left office?

Mason, this one is the definition of a no-brainer! Ask Thomas Crowne about George Herbert Walker Bush and prepare to be seriously dissappointed!



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:03 PM
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B-T you truly are stupid if you believe half of what you just said.

A president can NOT pardon himself. And comparing a tv show, and a crappy one at that, as being a judge of character, is even more retarded.

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posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:22 PM
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Im curious, Free Mason, who gave you the right to decide what is stupid, ignorant, and retarded? What makes you believe you have a right to insult anyone or anything that doesnt fit in with your Masonic way of thinking? Who told you, who taught you, it was okay for you to be so arrogant?

Does this come from your upbringing, or your associations with the lodge? Just curious.



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:28 PM
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I Heard about BUSH family are down with WICCA SORCERY SECT...

A thing sure is dat BUSH/BIN LADIN family (yes, yes BIN LADIN) were in biz in the CARLYLE INVESTEMENT CO.



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:29 PM
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My "masonic" thinking? No no, this is a direct result of people deciding that suddenly, that they can publically humiliate someone for a mistake.

So now any bit of misinformation, shall result in my immediate disapproval with a "You're an idiot" or a "You dumb@$$" comment.

What B-T last posted, is bullsh!t and deserves to be shoveled like so.

Thank you All Seeing Eye, but some of your information provided here and there hasn't been too intelligent either...so if you'd kindly step aside, this blatant slandering of our President Bush using sh!t info and hear say, is about to get a couple more kicks in the pants.

Sincerely,
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[Edited on 8-1-2003 by FreeMason]



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:31 PM
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The "smoker" in X-FILE is named CANCERMAN in US ?
In FRANCE, translation is THE CIGARETTES MAN...



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:38 PM
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Well since this thread seems to becomming derailed by X-Files (most embarrasing) AND!!! People want more intelligence....then I demand the founder of this thread to back up the title of this thread, with written documental proof.

Not some website where some guy says there are papers that say this and that, but those papers themselves!

Others may not remain so skeptical, but I do remain skeptical in how far the "facist connection" truly goes...

...I still believe that it is merely a small trivial thing, that over the years due to biased individuals, has become horribly blown out of proportion, hence why there is not a paper trail.

Which there should be because the doccuments were supposedly confiscated by the government in '42 to be returned in '51 therefore leaving a clear cut paper trail.

Once we've assertained exactly what it is the Bushes did, then we can begin to debate on the "morality" issues.

Sincerely,
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posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Im curious, Free Mason, who gave you the right to decide what is stupid, ignorant, and retarded? What makes you believe you have a right to insult anyone or anything that doesnt fit in with your Masonic way of thinking? Who told you, who taught you, it was okay for you to be so arrogant?

Does this come from your upbringing, or your associations with the lodge? Just curious.



Apparently Mason has appointed himself as the barometer of what should be discussed on this website. I am hard pressed to find recent topics where he is not disagreeing with nearly everyone else in the thread, and forcefully with thinly veiled insults and attacks I might add.

I recently asked Mason what his motives are for the nature of his in-depth involvement in this website. Anyone with a passing interest in psychology can read between the lines of his response and discover the true motives of Free Mason.

I only hope his actions do not deter people from participating in discussion.



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 01:05 PM
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Excuse me Winston but you are being less than helpful in finding FACT in this Thread.

I have disagreed with this thread from the start DUE TO A LACK OF FACT supporting it.

So how about instead of reading what's been going on in the last few hours, you read what's gone on in the last few days and get smart?

How about you be the one to find these oh so secretive papers concerning Bush's connection to facism huh? Winston?

Sincerely,
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posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
So how about instead of reading what's been going on in the last few hours, you read what's gone on in the last few days and get smart?


My response was to "All Seeing Eye" after doing just that. Indeed, I have been spending much time reading up on the Free Mason vs. Above Top Secret events of the past few weeks. The results of which I believe I have expressed.

I find myself moderately leaning toward your point-of-view within this particular topic. However, the manner in which you express yourself here makes me unwilling to participate. Sorry.



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 02:12 PM
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Threads like this point to the desperation of liberals to find anything on Bush....AFTER Clinton's dirt was all over the news.

Funny that the LIBERAL media has said nothing about the so-called dirt on Bush.....I wonder why.



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 02:25 PM
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Winston, thank you for your thoughtful reply. I can appreciate your position in this subject, and your mature responses. It is one thing to try to establish ones own position, and quite another in trying to manipulate others.

The debate seems to center on the fact of whether or not George Bush is competent to lead this nation, due to his affiliations. Freemason asked for facts that are not based on the Internet. I too, would like to see the hard copy of evidence. But I doubt this will happen until there are men and women in the government who are willing to live up to the oath they took to this country, and not, some secret society.



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 02:47 PM
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IN FRANCE, FREEMASON is a sect of V.I.P, industrials and politics who try to rule nations and have strange and paganists rituals !
French president Francois MITTERAND was famously known as a freemason,
SOrry but I dislike freemason and paganism ritualism !
HITLER were known as a great paganist and I won't be surprised if I learn that BUSH FAMILY ARE PAGANISTS TO (or too...)

Bye



posted on Jan, 8 2003 @ 05:56 PM
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Yes Winston, thank you for your "moderate and less than willing support on what I am saying"


My actions more recently have been less than forth comming, but I took a BIG walk today and had quite the spiritual experience (Climbed a rather big and steep hill//short mountain to see what this tall dark thing at the top was...I thought it was a tree but it turned out someone else spent a lot of time up there to errect quite the tall and sturdy collumn made of stone, about 10 feet high, so I've started one of my own
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Anyways....I wouldn't care if it is online or not, surely there ARE doccuments, I don't doubt there are because I believe his grandfather had some connection with the nazis, and just that certain people blew them more and more out of proportion.

Every site I find gives little bits more of clues, I found one site that seemed to belittle the situation while trying to nail it to him, with the evidence given far less "evil" than some other sites have made it seem.

Sincerely,
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posted on Jan, 9 2003 @ 09:10 AM
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Let's start with the obvious:
1) You didn't know that the Bush patriarchs were prosecuted and had their assests seized under the Trading with the Enemy act.

2) You didn't know that George Herbert Walker Bush did in fact pardon himself in his last day in office.

You've established your ignorance of the subject on that first key point, and bolsterd our perception of it with the second. The way a quality debate proceeds is to research your counterpoints and make supported arguments, not default into "he's our president-you must support him-you must be antiAmerican for saying this", none of which is true.
Since you consider data valid soley on the stripe of the poster, look at Nyeff's link. Nyeff is clearly a dyed in the wool Bush Lover/Clinton hater, and here's what I read from his provided link:

""Young George was in flight school in October 1942, when the U.S. government charged his father with running Nazi front groups in the United States. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, all the shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized, including those held by Prescott Bush as being in effect held for enemy nationals. Union Banking, of course, was an affiliate of Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Bush handled the Harrimans' investments as well.
"Once the government had its hands on Bush's books, the whole story of the intricate web of Nazi front corporations began to unravel. A few days later two of Union Banking's subsidiaries -- the Holland American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation -- also were seized. Then the government went after the Harriman Fifteen Holding Company, which Bush shared with his father- in-law, Bert Walker, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, and the Silesian- American Corporation. The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort."


And this:

""It was Bush who fulfilled Nixon's promise to make the 'ethnic' emigres a permanent part of Republican politics. In 1972 Nixon's State Department spokesman confirmed to his Australian counterpart that the ethnic groups were very useful to get out the vote in several key states. Bush's tenure as head of the Republican National Committee exactly coincided with Laszlo Pasztor's 1972 drive to transform the Heritage Groups Council into the party's official ethnic arm. The groups Pasztor chose as Bush's campaign allies were the emigre Fascists whom Dulles had brought to the United States. . . .
". . . Nearly twenty years later, and after expose's in several respectable newspapers, Bush continued to recruit most of the same ethnic Fascists, including Pasztor, for his own 1988 ethnic outreach program when he first ran for president.
"According to our sources in the intelligence community," state the authors, "it was Bush who told Nixon that the Watergate investigations might start uncovering the Fascist skeletons in the Republican party's closet. Bush himself acknowledges that he wrote Nixon a letter asking him to step down. The day after Bush did so, Nixon resigned.
"Bush had hoped to become Gerald Ford's vice president upon Nixon's resignation, but he was appointed U.S. ambassador to the UN. Nelson Rockefeller became vice president and chief damage controller. He formed a special commission in an attempt to preempt the Senate's investigation of the intelligence community. The Rockefeller Commission into CIA abuses was filled with old OPC [Dulles's Office of Policy Coordination] hands like Ronald Reagan, who had been the front man back in the 1950s for the money-laundering organization, the Crusade for Freedom, which was part of Dulles's Fascist 'freedom fighters' program."
In 1988, Project Censored, a news media censorship research organization, awarded the honor of "Top Censored story" to the subject of George Bush. The article revealed "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his Presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988."

This paper trail you require: it's there in the various newspapers that have written about it; or do you mean you want a copy of the receipt to Bush's paid dues in the United Fascists of America club!? Or a scan of his membership card?
Now I've debated the Conservative movement on these boards countless times, but only recently have I encounterd the fringe Ultra right Wingers like you and AR....what is it that has you boys crawling out of the woodwork? You don't come with anything valid to say and hijack threads with a hysterical fevor for anything our grossly incompetent president does. If you ever decide to research the merits of your opinion before giving them the litmus test of a public forum where they are soundly refuted, maybe you can look up the similarity between yourself and the BrownShirt movement in good old Weimar Germany.....it's strikeingly obvious to me.



posted on Jan, 10 2003 @ 10:06 PM
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Yes daddy Bush was in league with some pretty nasty fellows He was after all in the CIA. His daddy had some ties to the Nazis. SO did Daddy Kennedy JFK and RFK had Mob ties. I am just as much a believer in conspiracy as most of you probably are but the question is how deep runs the rot? If pappy Bush had ties to German companies in the 30's then he had Nazi ties this however does not mean he believed in Socialism. It means he at least managed the holdings of German industrialist in the USA. This is a far cry from a THULE society attempt to control the US!! Most of us are probably to young to have been alive at the time but you have to remember In the US at this time there was a strong isolationist movement as well as a fledgling Nazi movement everyone accept the Communist elite in accademia saw the Russians as the real threat. No one wanted to see the Germans prosecute a war with France or Britan but treaties dictated the defence of Poland so the Brits and French went off to war with Germany and Germany declared war on the US and much to the dismay of the libs darling FDR we were at war with Hitler. After the war The US used every available asset it could acquire from Germany Because again the real threat came from the Russians so we brought in Nazi doctors, Nazi scientist, Nazi spys, and Nazi Generals to tell us how to fight the USSR not because we liked Nazis but because we hated Communism.



posted on Jan, 10 2003 @ 10:28 PM
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It looks like bringing those Nazis over was the wrong thing to do because it looks like their mentality wore off on the wrong people.

The Thule? Checking back, the Thule and the Scull & Bones were created from the same secret society in Germany in the 1870s.
www.conspiracyarchive.com...


[Edited on 11-1-2003 by All Seeing Eye]



posted on Jan, 10 2003 @ 10:31 PM
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............(cont) All successful people use others to gain success this is why the wealthy are so open to critizism the Libs use the old Racist and Capitalist Robber Baron lables to point fingers and spew vitrol on those at the top of the social ladder so that they can control the masses. Both of the big parties are elitist and seek to run the lives of the citizens. Both parties forget we were all quite capable of running our own lives without their help before they started their social engineering. You guys spend your time and waste your breath arguing over which face of the two-faces is the most evil and I will try to get you to see liberty and freedom do not spring forth from Washington DC!!


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posted on Jan, 14 2003 @ 01:25 PM
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Sorry but I really *censored* hate Bush!





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