EMP Device Aerial Detonation Question and Idea, page 1
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Topic started on 21-7-2008 @ 05:24 PM by runetang
Well, I'm sure we all know about the Electro Magnetic Pulse devices and their potential usage as weapons of mass destruction via aerial detonation. The idea goes, it would fry all electrical and computer systems. This is fine and I understand the logic behind this conclusion.

My question is, what about all of the electrical and computer equipment which is not connected to the power grid, or any other power source, or otherwise "on" or running in any form whatsoever (in other words, disconnected and grounded, like think of a laptop that is off and disconnected from the battery recharger, or think of a cell phone which was off and not being recharged during the EMP detonation.), what happens to that equipment?

Have we all seen the History Channel (or was that Military Channel?) demonstration of this with a car? How the guy drove under the device with the car, and the car goes dead right as he drives underneath the device? Well, what about all the cars that were parked on the side of the road and not running?

Essentially, will it fry circuit board and electrical systems that are not connected to any power source whatsoever, not storing any power, or if they are storing power, are in a completely OFF mode? It seems to me that just like when a Thunderstorm hits your area, turning off the computer would save the computer from the EMP detonation. I came to this conclusion by reasoning that the electro magnetic pulse would need some conduit to the system to destroy that system; that you could save entire systems and even facilities to provide back up emergency functions and services by simply leaving them off, grounded, and protected from the EMP detonation at the time of detonation. Even if there is no back up system laying in wait, a certain percentage of vehicles, computers, and communications systems would have to be OFF at the time of detonation, providing some post EMP-detonation function of these things. These things are the very targets of the EMP device, and one can quickly come to the idea that a nation could prepare for such an event by having an entire system that shadows or mimics the current communication systems, being kept off and protected, laying in wait for this potential time to occur.

So, is it really that simple?


reply posted on 21-7-2008 @ 05:46 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by runetang



Unless it is nuclear hardened, the electronics will fry and quit working. When I was in the military, all the parts of the aircraft were nuclear hardened and had to be inspected to make sure it stayed that way.
If there is an EMP nuclear blast, make sure you have candles (if you survive the radiation).


reply posted on 21-7-2008 @ 07:23 PM by StargateSG7
The effects of EMP is highly dependent upon the length, conductivity
and electrical resistance of the larger circuits involved and the
inherent fragility of any microcircuits in chips.

ANY long wire becomes an antennae and would be an ideal mechanism
to INDUCT current from the EMP "fluxes" (i.e. fast rise & drop times)
thus ANY circuitry, be it ON OR OFF, if it has NOT been shielded
using a Faraday Cage, or has NOT been grounded out using a
diversion circuit (i.e. Varistor or Capacitor or other spark gap to
convert current to heat or light) WILL FRY...!!!!

And thin microcircuits, due to the fast rise times of an EMP pulse,
will just overload and melt into blobs of useless metal oxides much
like a circuit breaker trips upon over-voltage/over-current situations.

So unless ANY device is shielded using Faraday Cages (which are
notoriously DIFFICULT to build for EMP defence), they are mostly toast
in a large scale EMP attack.

I do understand however, that some PURELY optical-based systems
that switch via photonic means (i.e. Gallium Arsenide photo-circuits) WILL
survive because an EMP pulse will just cause large outputs of light to
be emitted much like noisy TV static for the duration of the pulses
and then return themselves to normal.

However any attached electrical motors or other electrically based switching
gear may be fried if they are unable to take the pulsed current load that
would be put onto them. And the ability to take a pulsed high-current load
caused by an EMP, is dependent upon the diameter, conductivity & resistance
of the cable, the ability of a cable's insulation to absorb the heat load without
burning & short circuiting and the ability of a connecting switch to convert
any over-current into easily radiated heat and not melt or break.

There are at least 50 to 100 variables on even minor circuit designs
to consider when building EMP protection...and the best PROTECTION
from EMP is a totally enclosed and PROPERLY GROUNDED Faraday Cage!


reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 08:13 AM by ToolFanMael
reply to post by StargateSG7



wow.. you seem to know alot about the subject.. which is good cuz I have a thought... wouldnt the US (particularly) have some sort of defense against this? I cant see the US leaving themselves open to something like this happening to them without some sort of coutner measure... what about some sort of energy field? is there anything an EMP cant travel through that you could possibly put between the EMP bomb and whatever sensitive material?

- honest question no disrespect intended
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