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Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by MacDonagh
The U.S. had already lost the war in Iraq because it's a war you can't win. You can't just go into a country, overthrow it's leader, introduce democracy and expect it to go smoothly. Too much resistance.
Of course you can win. It worked in the past, ie Japan & Germany. Hell, we still have troops there. However, you are correct that it does not always go smoothly but it can be done and has been done.
Originally posted by poet1b
If the Iraqi government succeeds in standing on its own, and U.S. troops withdraw, that is a huge WIN for the U.S...... the U.S. will have achieved every goal, removal of Saddam and establishment of a new Iraqi representative Government. While the oil industry might prefer that the U.S. occupy Iraq from now on, that is not what the people of the U.S. want.
Originally posted by whiteraven
I see your point...they win on all fronts,,,,Oil, Sadamm, and a liberated Iraq.
But who controls the liberated Iraq?
This is what Baer was pointing too!
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Because it is US who is bringing the facism to their interiors.
Originally posted by foremanator
Why is it that bbc news links are only availible to uk residents?
I bet it has something to do with propaganda rights between nations
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Of course you can win. It worked in the past, ie Japan & Germany. Hell, we still have troops there. However, you are correct that it does not always go smoothly but it can be done and has been done.
Originally posted by West Coast
reply to post by whiteraven
Considering the Iraq war was done and over in 3 weeks, a normal person would not assume the war had been lost. Neither does this prove that to be a fact, as iraq is a conflict, not a war. Furthermore, the US leaving Iraq anytime soon is very unlikely. Even if Iran tried to absorb Iraq, the sunni dominated Iraq would explode against the Shiite dominated Iranians. Not to mention this would draw the US in for a full blown attack on the Iranian military, as well as industrial infrastructure.... I wouldnt read much into this, alot of hot air is being blown over nothing.
Originally posted by neformore
In WW2, the allies attacked and subdued the armed forces of countries that had attacked them first, because it was a fight for the actual existence of those allied countries.
The US led COW attacked a country that had done nothing to them whatsoever, and did not threaten their existence.
There is a huge difference there. I hope you can see it. If not then your perception is badly skewed.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Agit8dChop
ROTFLMAO - You might want to look at some of the facts on the U.S. economy. The U.S. continues to lead the world in economic diversity, productivity and technology, and most importantly GDP, while the countries of the Middle East are all one trick ponies, whose economies rely entirely on the oil under the ground, which is running out fast.
Seriously, the people of the Middle East need to wake up and learn that unless they learn to start developing technology, which means turning away from religious extremism, they are doomed to go back to being third world nations. Once the Middle East was at the forefront of civilization, but since the rise of Islam, the Middle Eastern nations have steadily fallen behind.
The idea that Iran can compete with the U.S. is pure fantasy.
Originally posted by Kryties
Would you please provide some verifiable evidence of the this? Perhaps a link? Without this I take your comment as nothing but speculation and bias towards the US. As far as Im concerned its terribly easy to doctor numbers and figures to add credence to propaganda.
Are you serious? Seriously? My god man you could not sound more racist and 'up yourself' if you tried. For starters check out this link:
then feel free after that to Google such simple terms as "middle eastern technology"