Belief is growing that the media is trying to help Obama win.

Originally posted by pavil
But Matthews show is Hardball, where he asks the candidates the "hard questions"

Yeah, and Fox news is supposed to be "fair and balanced".

Do you think he will really do that to someone who is sent to "deliver" us and gives Chris a tingly feeling up his leg? It would be different if they were giving equal time, certain shows have just morphed into half hour or hour long infocommericals on why one candidate is better than the other.

If you expect me to disagree, then you will be disappointed.

If you don't like what is happening in the media, then you can't have it one sided. You have to complain about both sides.

I agree. Hopefully you will complain about BOTH sides as well.

I have complained about Fox because the bias is across the board, and since I don't watch MSNBC, I am just now learning that others are saying they are mostly liberal, which I didn't know because I don't watch it. I do watch CNN and find that it is balanced overall, though each reporter may have some bias.

I don't know what else you want me to do. I can't complain about something I was not aware of.

I do watch CNN and find that it is balanced overall, though each reporter may have some bias.

I'm sorry, but CNN is just as bad as MSNBC. I'd say it is slightly less bias, but has an overall left wing slant.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by Dronetek]

Originally posted by Hal9000
I usually watch CNN, which each reporter may have a slight bias, but they go both ways. Recently, Lou Dobbs has been really been hard on Obama, for some reason and he is Mr. Independent.

Good point. Dobbs is not liberal, he's a conservative populist. He's a protectionist and severely anti-immigration (both of which I applause).

So you can't say CNN is slanted in Obama's favor. I've heard critique of Obama on that station quite often.

It's McCain's problem that he's less appealing as a candidate.
And that he's zero in economics and finance.

Just about all western media is bias....even BBC is bias and a propaganda machine...just use different tactics to how smart and aware the populace are...Fox and BBC are the same,just use different approaches to the viewing public....along with all other major media corporations.

Originally posted by Dronetek
I'm sorry, but CNN is just as bad as MSNBC. I'd say it is slightly less bias, but has an overall left wing slant.

Well it's all relative, isn't it? I mean if you are a right wing fascist (not saying you are), then just about everyone would appear to be liberal. I know it goes both ways. If you are a left wing socialist then even Obama looks to be conservative.

All I can say, Lou Dobbs for President!

He's not left or right, he's center and he's great.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Good point. Dobbs is not liberal, he's a conservative populist. He's a protectionist and severely anti-immigration (both of which I applause).

Your right except he would say he was anti-illegal immigration, which I also agree with.

Actually, I recall now that Obama mentioned Lou Dobbs in a speech in reference to discrimination of minorities or something, and now all of a sudden, he doesn't like Obama. Go figure.

So you can't say CNN is slanted in Obama's favor. I've heard critique of Obama on that station quite often.

I agree. They would not let the Rev. Wright thing go for a long time there, and they were looking for more negatives, but it has changed since then. I think overall they are the most balanced, IMHO.

It's McCain's problem that he's less appealing as a candidate.
And that he's zero in economics and finance.

I think there is more truth in that, than there is in saying the "liberal media" is at fault for favoring Obama.

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Socially, I'm pretty liberal.

I think overall they are the most balanced, IMHO.

Only because they come closest to your set of views. From my POV, you and CNN are pretty far left.

I cant watch CNN for more than a few minutes at a time. In fact, I cant watch ANY network news for more than a few minutes. That includes Fox.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by Dronetek]

Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by Hal9000

 

Socially, I'm pretty liberal.

Let's not go there.
That's your private life, and we all respect that.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by Hal9000

 

Socially, I'm pretty liberal.

Let's not go there.
That's your private life, and we all respect that.

Oh, I see what you did there!

Originally posted by Dronetek
reply to post by Hal9000

 

Socially, I'm pretty liberal.

Could you give us an example?

How do you define "pretty [socially] liberal"?

I also believe that I am pretty socially liberal, which means to me that I really don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors. I also believe in liberal capitalism. I have a HUGE problem with conservative corporatism, as it throws the protocols of the "system" out the window.

In general I believe Liberal to be those who focus more on the benfits and less on the costs, while I view conservative to be those who focus more on the costs and less on the benefits. I don't think either vantage is evil, one is conditioned by their past to be more so one than the other.

Dont you know conservatives are the devil incarnate? I like all opinions...opinions make the world go round....what i dont like is ignorance...and ignorance is prominent mostly in the conservative side...although i have seen some liberals who are just as bad.... Liberal...Conservative...What does it mean? We are all human at the end of the day,trying to better ourselves as a society...i wish this labelling would die out and we could debate each other as humans with opposing view points...

Originally posted by Dronetek

I think overall they are the most balanced, IMHO.

Only because they come closest to your set of views. From my POV, you and CNN are pretty far left.

Well then you don't know me very well. Actually, I am probably more Libertarian than left, except I believe in social programs like welfare. I also hold what are considered conservative values like being pro-life and fiscal responsibility. Above all, I consider our individual rights and the constitution to be the most important. If that is far left, then I am guilty as charged.

I cant watch CNN for more than a few minutes at a time. In fact, I cant watch ANY network news for more than a few minutes. That includes Fox.

For me, it depends on what is on at the time. I may watch some other show, but if I watch news, I usually watch CNN. I may have to do a little surfing over to MSNBC to see what everyone is talking about.

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My remarks were not directed at you personally, please do not take them that way, you just happened to have a good comment to reply to. We do have some common ground and some areas we disagree. That's cool with me.

Hopefully we will have some knock down drag out Presidential Debates between Obama and McCain. I am looking forward to them.

reply to post by pavil

I didn't take it personally, but after re-reading my reply, I can see how it came off that way. That was my poor attempt at humor. No worries.

Nothing new here. The press has a consistent pro-sensationalism bias. "Hope" and "change" are sensational. "Straight-talk" just puts them to sleep. McCain just has to figure out how to get sensational. That's the way the game of democratic politics has always worked.

Originally posted by Distractions4Nothing
The press has a consistent pro-sensationalism bias.

Hey, I say this all the time! I like you.

Lets put the coverage in a context of positive versus negative,Fast forward the Rev. Wright nonsense, Obama has had way more negative press coverage up until very recently, which to me actually would seem to attempt to work against his chances of becoming president, McCain in his own right even if given the equal coverage which it does seems fair enough to me, will screw up his chances on his own for the most part, can you say dull, bland and misinformed in the same sentence, what press outlet really wants to spend time on that? even Fox at times seems to be not so enthusiastic which is very surprising.

McCain running on a war record to be commander in chief is seemingly a good strategy and would impress the unknowing to grant him with a blank check and shoe in as qualified instant commander in chief in a can, but the bottom line is that any military contextual experience was many years ago, his most recent experience and relevant to date for the most part is that he has been a pork barreling, closely associated with the fraudulent and corrupt keating 5 professional politician, and he has been spared being raked over the coals on many topics even though he avoided prison for involvement and knowledge of that scandal.

I am a Vet and got out of the Army 20 years ago I am proud but I do not wear that on my sleeve in my career now, I meet people all the time that are Vets where that might be a different story and unfortunately in civilian jobs they get it confused, the civilian world is not the military and vis versa that experience really does not make you that much more qualified than someone else, John McCain is using his service and misfortunes to somehow gain support during this so called war when all he really is when the skin is peeled back is a Washington insider and professional politician who happens to be a vet despite that fact it appears that he does not know the facts about the issues that face us right now or how to begin solving them, because when he speaks about them he seems to get things confused which really exploits his inability to properly apply judgement, I think he is glad his press coverage is not as scrutinizing and completely negative as what has been unequally and in some instances inaccurately utilized to hamper Senator Obama's chance of becoming president.

This article will lighten up our discussion:

www.timesonline.co.uk...

I'm just glad to see the backlash begin...

To all you lefties, I promise- we're not making this up! Please stop being offended while we notice your reactions to this empty suit and call you on it...

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I think that article was great and typical of the UK humor, the sad thing is if Obama is an empty suit you can't get upset that he is potentially replacing a lame duck in an empty suit that is 8 years old, what more can the republican party offer to bring fair game for a close race?

[edit on 25-7-2008 by phinubian]