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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Only 10 minutes into it...and the deception carried out by the makers of the video is first rate. Lies, misdirection and assumption...pretty typical of "truthers".
The "incubator" story.......had very little to do with us kicking Iraq out of Kuwait. We had thousands of troops in the sand already when that story came out. We didnt go to war because of this story....flat out LIE.
Once again you miss the point, distort and manipulate the context, and prove that the only liar, disinfo agent, and misdirector is you
Bush Jnr lied to go to war by using false evidence that Iraq had purchased uranium from the Niger
The vote for military action against Iraq was won with a majority of 5. That's right 5.
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Believe what you want. The incubator story was first published in England Sept 5, 1990. At that point, there was already 250,000 US troops either in Saudi Arabia or on their way, those movements started three days after Saddam invaded Kuwait. The decision to go to war had been made. Under law at the time, the President could commit us to battle without the approval of Congress, their vote merely ensured that there wouldnt be any problems with the War Powers Act. In other words, President Bush had committed us to war....before the incubator story broke.
Ah yes, Joe Wilson rears his head....you do realize that he was caught lying to Congress about Niger right? I wont go into the couple tons of uranium that we have secured and removed from Iraq in the last couple years....
Yep, those five ensured that the War Powers Act would not come into play....and as smart as you are, Im SURE that you know the War Powers Act means that the President has to notify Congress that our troops are starting military action within 48 hours.......and that without Congressional approval, we can only be engaged in battle for 60 days.
So, as I said, the decision that we were going to kick Saddam out of Kuwait was made on August 5, 1990. That is when the President ordered us to start moving our troops and equipment to Saudi. Congressional approval, was nice to have, but not necessary.
My God, you spout such nonsense it disgusting. There's dumb, dumber, then there's Swampfox.
Again, you miss the point, or deliberately don't address it, or are just dumb enough not to see it, is that there is a history of Bush's being committed to war, and then concocting stories about babies or WMDs to then garner the Senate and public support for a war. I know, and I will assume that you also know, despite the lack of intelligence you display in your posts, that no government would ever go to war without Senate and public approval, and therefore the incubator story was concocted to gain that support.
No, no, no, please do go into it, please do show us your claims of Wilson being caught lying and of the tons of uranium removed from Iraq because that proves that Bush was right
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."
Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.
AP Exclusive: US removes uranium from Iraq
Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq: US intelligence
Evidence does link Saddam to WMD programs and terror groups
Or it could be the Iraq Survey Group had an unusually restrictive definition of what constitutes a WMD stockpile.
The 4th Infantry Division discovered in an ammo dump near the town of Baiji 55 gallon drums of chemicals which, when mixed together, form nerve gas. They were stored next to surface-to-surface missiles which had been configured to carry a liquid payload.
As already pointed out, he would never have gone to war without Congressional approval and you know it. Are you seriously suggesting that it is acceptable for a President to go to war without approval? Can you show an instance where this has actually happened?
Then, without Congressional approval, Truman -- acting on Acheson's legal advice -- committed American military forces to implementing the UN's resolution.
In August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait. President George H.W. Bush responded by sending American troops, without a Congressional declaration of war. As the President talked of escalating the battle, Congressman Ron Dellums, along with several colleagues, filed a lawsuit to enjoin the president from widening the war without a declaration of war by Congress.
It is also clear that under the War Powers Resolution, Bush II can engage in hostilities with Saddam without violating either the letter or sprit of the law for at least 60 days. Or like Clinton, he can simply ignore the law, and proceed.
An often-cited example of the practice of unilateral Presidential warmaking is President Lincoln's commencement of the Civil War while Congress was in recess.
Originally posted by Alethia
Yes, please do continue posting, because what you are posting is ridiculous and proves me right. You yourself state that President Bush wanted to go to war, but had a lawsuit filed to stop him going to war without Congress approval. In fact, the very source you use lists out, in long detail, the case for not allowing a President to go to war without Congressional approval. Your very source supports the contention that a President shouldn't go to war without it, as do I.
Moreover, the FACT of the matter is that Bush DIDN'T go to war without congress approval. Bush Snr (& Jnr for that matter) may have wanted to go to war without it, but they DIDN'T. Hence the false claims of the incubator story & WMDs respectively to get Congress approval.
Why are you discussing what could have happened rather than what actually happened? Lot's of things COULD HAVE happened, but they NEVER DID.
You deal in hearsay. I deal in FACT. You can not say that Bush Snr (or Jnr) would've have gone to war without Congress approval, because they NEVER DID. You ASSUME they would have done, but you're not them, so you are SPECULATING AT BEST. Unless you are now claiming to be George Bush and can categorically state you would have gone to war without Congress approval???????
I want you to post away and lets all of us see what falsehoods and gross speculation you want others to believe and live under.
Your post history on many threads has proven you to be a liar. The hilarity of your perceptions is gut wrenchingly funny, and your beliefs forced on you by the very people you voted for and trust makes me sad for you at the same time. Then again, morons deserve all they get, but at least you make me laugh.