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Who really are the Rothchilds?

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posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 03:47 PM
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posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 04:11 PM
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Yep, just another anti-semetic rant that trys to vilify this family, as well as Jews in general (I am NOT a Jew by the way, but I wouldn't mind at all being one).

The Rothschilds are a family, a fairly large family, that made a lot of money in banking over some 200 years of so. But, they have worked against other branches of their own family (just as all families do). They were once prominant in Germany, France, England and several other countries.

The Nazi's killed off all of them that they could.

Now the Neo-Nazi's, and their supporters, still try to villify a family that has donated millions upon millions of pounds to charity, and has never done a thing to hurt Great Britain.

Nazi's are all they people that spread this crap are.



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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That's a load of hogwash and simply not true. I have not heard of a single Roths ever being assassinated. And do you know why? Nobody in Europe would even dare to try.



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Ultra rich Europeans bought an apartment in New York City? An apartment with a view? That is very suspicious indeed.

If it had a view of the Twin Towers then it must be definitive proof that they KNEW the towers were going to get hit, they probably masterminded the whole thing, and they bought the apartment so they would have a good view.

Case solved.



you are such an IGNORANT , have you done any research?

FYI: The Rothchilds are on top of NWO

[edit on 22-7-2008 by keops]



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by ruse45

Originally posted by MadSigntist
I wonder if/how the Bush's and the Cheneys are tied into the Rothchild clan. They must
somehow be.

Also, as I understand it, the Rothchilds are a Jewish based crew. Remindes me of a
rumor that I heard that there were no Jewish people in the Twin Towers on that eleventh day of September. Has enyone heard the same?


that's correct, jews were pre-warned not to report to work on that fatal day of 9/11.....even the stockbrokers made a killing on certain stocks related to this....also, did anyone ever ask....how is larry silverstein and the rothschilds connected by bloodline.


Okay, been following this thread and a lot of the stuff in here isn't worth getting involved in but I had to respond to this. A friend of mine lost his cousin in 9/11 and they are very Jewish, and I don't think it's funny to post this kind of uneducated nonsense if we are truly trying to "deny ignorance".



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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Okay, finished the thread...my thoughts on this and a lot of other topics on here the last few years are as follows:
I wish someone would show me the evidence they are looking at. Everyone says to do some simple research, so I do and I find fringe articles and youtube videos that lack credibility. I work in higher education, and thus have some experience in the world of scholarly research and put the burden of proof on the author of the paper/journal/doctoral candidate/etc. and can't find anything that I would consider credible. There are people with some very strong opinions here and they must have come to them somehow but I just can't find what they are looking at. Instead of telling people off with comments like "i'm not going to do the work for you"...why not just do a little bit so we can all learn what they learn? I'm not going to take someones word on ATS or someone who creates an obviously anti-jewish video and hides behind the words anti-zionism like it's something different. (it's like the far-right of Christianity here in the US talking about hating the so called sin of homosexuality but loving the sinner. I suppose that's an okay thing to think, but it manifests itself in hating all gay people, there's no way for people to seperate those feelings, just like there's no way for people to seperate these anti-jewish feelings).
Anyway, I guess my plee is just for someone to show me something substantial regarding the NWO, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, etc. because at this point I'm not buying it. No reasonable person would either; with the information that appears to be available, so there's no reason why the people that believe in it should be shocked that others call them kooky.
Incidentally, a subject that I've been following on this board the last year or so is the upcoming presidential election. Originally people on ATS said that Clinton or McCain are in bed with the NWO and an outsider like Obama would never be able to be president. It looks like he might win the election, and people on this board have done a complete 180 saying that Obama is in bed with the NWO, etc. it's just an example of the hypocrisy and the nonsense that makes it tough to believe the stories read on here.
I just want to see some proof, something to enlighten me that is more than just a bedtime story, I'm sick of being told to look for it because I have. Honestly, I'm pretty close to writing off a vast majority of the posters here due to their lack of credibility.



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Zepherian
That's a load of hogwash and simply not true. I have not heard of a single Roths ever being assassinated. And do you know why? Nobody in Europe would even dare to try.

Just checked and...nobody in my family has ever been assassinated! I must be Illumanti and I didn't even know! Am I entitled to anything - a free bus pass or something?

White Chapel - you are absolutely right. What constitutes "research" here is going into google or youtube and typing "rothschild conspiracy" or "evil jewish plot" and then reading or watching everything that is thrown up and then following it like sheep.

Never would they do actual research - looking at original source material or contemporaneous accounts or studying historians and biographers referenced work. Instead they absorb all the rubbish thrown out by these conspiracy sites, which only ever reference each other as "evidence". Seriously look into any of this nonsense and it falls over like a house of cards - there is just no substantial evidence to support any of it. Rumour - yes, innuendo - yes, hate filled rants - yes, evidence - no.

The creator of this thread couldn't even spell the family name correctly.

I think much of this arises out of a deap-seated inferiority complex. "Hey, why have those Rothschild guys got all the money and I'm on minimum wage?". It couldn't possibly be because over the decades the family worked hard, made shrewd investments and used cunning and political acumen, could it? No, it must be some grand joo plot, must be that joo magic and stuff.

In reality the Rothschild investment bank is now a minnow. Yes they once had a vast fortune, but like most of the Great Houses of that Early Modern Age they now only have relative scraps (of course still richer than most of us). Post war tax regimes sucked out most of their wealth, just as it did for most of the aristocracy of the UK and Western Europe. The Rothschilds had another huge blow in 1981 when Socialist President François Mitterand nationalised their French bank, prompting Guy de Rothschild to declare, "A Jew under Pétain, a pariah under Mitterand!". Anyone know why the controllers of the world couldn't stop the French state from taking their bank from them?

Another factoid about Guy:



Wartime France was not an easy place for a Rothschild on account of the name and the Jewish origins. Guy de Rothschild's father and uncles had their French nationality removed and property confiscated. Guy felt "excluded, insulted, designated for public vindictiveness" and in 1941 he departed via Casablanca for New York.

Anxious to serve, he joined the Free French but was torpedoed and almost drowned when crossing the Atlantic to England. He later undertook special missions for General Charles de Gaulle, ending the war as adjutant to de Gaulle's military governor in Paris.

Source:Obituary

So these Grand Masters couldn't even stop their nationality and property from being stripped from them and Guy risked his life to fight the Nazis. Hardly sounds like they were the puppetmasters does it?



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Nice informative post. I personally DO like to see the other sides of the story.

One small complaint, which applies to all conspiracy theories and secret societies in general, they are always going to be by definition hard to prove with conclusive hard evidence. If they werent they would not be secret or conspiratorial. Often times, even in courts of law, we are left with little more than circumstantial evidence and conjecture. For me, the fact that there is no hard evidence for a particular conspiracy theory does NOT act to disprove that theory. It means only what it does, that the hypothesis remains unproven.

Bringing in evidence that disproves that hypothesis is welcomed by me, as I do NOT know enough to make up my mind one way or the other. Apparently, from the research I have been doing, if we want to hear the scholarly and accepted view of the history of the Rothschild family this book (there are actually two, volume one and two) is the one book I see most cited in other scholarly works by professors, economists, etc.

Ferguson, N. (1998), The World’s Banker: The History of the House of Rothschild

It doesnt mean that these books contain the TRUTH, as scholars are and have been wrong on some points, but it is considered a credible source by many who study the field of business and economics, apparently.



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by White Chapel
I work in higher education, and thus have some experience in the world of scholarly research and put the burden of proof on the author of the paper/journal/doctoral candidate/etc. and can't find anything that I would consider credible. There are people with some very strong opinions here and they must have come to them somehow but I just can't find what they are looking at. Instead of telling people off with comments like "i'm not going to do the work for you"...why not just do a little bit so we can all learn what they learn? I'm not going to take someones word on ATS or someone who creates an obviously anti-jewish video and hides behind the words anti-zionism like it's something different. (it's like the far-right of Christianity here in the US talking about hating the so called sin of homosexuality but loving the sinner. I suppose that's an okay thing to think, but it manifests itself in hating all gay people, there's no way for people to seperate those feelings, just like there's no way for people to seperate these anti-jewish feelings).
Anyway, I guess my plee is just for someone to show me something substantial regarding the NWO, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, etc. because at this point I'm not buying it. No reasonable person would either; with the information that appears to be available, so there's no reason why the people that believe in it should be shocked that others call them kooky.


White Chapel and FatherLukeDuke, your usernames tell me you wouldn't be receptive to this type of information. They imply that you are perhaps faithful to a Christian religion. If that's the case you first have to understand that everything you learned from said religion is a lie. Everything. So, I fear this will roadblock is insurmountable for some. You have to learn how all religious information is manipulated, changed and plagiarized since the beginning. The stronger your faith, the weaker your common sense mechanism will be in discovering this.


Originally posted by White Chapelobviously anti-Jewish video and hides behind the words anti-Zionism like it's something different.


You are wrong. Again, anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish are very different. I'll use myself and example. I am fundamentally against (opinionwise) any person, whether they be Jewish or not, that believe the Jewish people are rightfully entitled to the land of Israel. A Jewish person can practice Judaism but not believe they are entitled to Israel. Although I'd say this belief would be rare. What does that mean, am I anti-Jew? Certainly not, I'm against their believe that they are entitled to Israel. It's as simple as that.

As someone mentioned, The Rothschilds are on top of the NWO. Money isn't even a factor anymore. It's about power. Of course, money buys power but they are beyond dealing with dollars now, same as the Rockefellers. This doesn't mean they all are. There are and have been key players in these families and others who have more or less remained in the dark.

I suggest watching the movie where this video comes from called "Ring of Power". If you aren't going to consider and research the evidence provided and instead concentrate on pictures of "hooked nose Jews" and the liberal usage of the word Jew versus the proper term Zionist, that's your right.


Originally posted by White Chapel
and can't find anything that I would consider credible


I'll tell you what I don't consider credible, "higher education". It's more accurately described as "the control of information".

-SB



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 01:43 PM
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I would have to say that if any family has been on top for several centuries now, it would be the British and Dutch royals, descendents of William of Orange, with JP Morgan having his period of power in the U.S.. The Great Depression wiped out a great deal of wealth, and vastly decreased the holding of the super wealthy in relation to the general populace, which didn't recover until the nineties.



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Originally posted by Zepherian
That's a load of hogwash and simply not true. I have not heard of a single Roths ever being assassinated. And do you know why? Nobody in Europe would even dare to try.

Just checked and...nobody in my family has ever been assassinated! I must be Illumanti and I didn't even know! Am I entitled to anything - a free bus pass or something?



Is your family, in the macroeconomical and influencial conception, of any relevance? That was a very pointless analogy to make, and I think even you must realise it reading it in hindsight.

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As for credible evidence, well, the Rothschilds are perfectly identifiable and all you have to do is read up on what they do. They still give financial services to nations, they still are based all over the world, especially in Europe, they do corner the Gold market... all that is verfiable. Granted, they have had some financial setbacks, I am sure, but they are devious and what at first sign might seem a setback might just be tax evasion or covering their tracks. We don't really know how much they are worth. They are, after all, a very secretive family culture, as would be typical of a family that has a lot to hide.

I can all but extrapolate the size of the cat from the tail coming out of its hiding place...



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
I would have to say that if any family has been on top for several centuries now, it would be the British and Dutch royals, descendents of William of Orange, with JP Morgan having his period of power in the U.S.. The Great Depression wiped out a great deal of wealth, and vastly decreased the holding of the super wealthy in relation to the general populace, which didn't recover until the nineties.


You're kidding right? The megarich made a killing in the depression. They probably caused it in the first place so they could collect on all the debt that had been issued...



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by StrangeBrew
White Chapel and FatherLukeDuke, your usernames tell me you wouldn't be receptive to this type of information. They imply that you are perhaps faithful to a Christian religion.

I'm an atheist, always have been always will.




You are wrong. Again, anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish are very different.

Not to some, they just use "Zionist" as a proxy for "Jewish"



[cite]Zepherian[/cite]
Is your family, in the macroeconomical and influencial conception, of any relevance? That was a very pointless analogy to make, and I think even you must realise it reading it in hindsight.

I was being sarcastic, and I think even you must realise that in hindsight. Your reasoning is completely faulty - just because a family doesn't have members that have assassinated doesn't prove anything. In fact if you were involved in a grand conspiracy it would most likely increase your chance of being assassinated.



they do corner the Gold market... all that is verfiable

Nonsense. You say they have cornered the gold market - prove your assertion. Compared to a bank like JP Morgan the Rothschilds are nothing.



[edit on 23/7/08 by FatherLukeDuke]



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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Um, got any links that demonstrate this. All the data I have seen says that the rich lost big in the Great Depression.



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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This all sounds like a lot of BUNK to me. If people are going to try and prove some kind of ancient international conspiracy to me they'll have to do better than that! First of all, if in fact they want to reduce the population, what's in it for them? Prove why they want to do that and how it serves them. If they already have everything they want then what does it serve to have a near "mass extinction"? It's just a bunch of poppycock. The rich need the poor to further their own selfish needs, don't they? Are they gonna get a surviving millionere to work in the fields to fill the bellies of a billionare ? I think not. Get with the program NWO conspiracy buffs and come up with something that we can all believe and that works first!

Sorry for the spelling, I can't spell millionere right



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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Some rich certainly did, but who collected on all the bad debt that issued before the depression? Who ended up owning the banks that went belly up and bankrupt, yet still had lots of debt owed to them? Ie, who got to own all the debt? The books weren't just wiped clean in the great depression, all that debt went somewhere. It always does.

And don't ask for links folks, I'm just giving opinion. There's thousands of links out there for someone who wants to read about this sort of topics, and I encourage people to always do their own research, because it is up to the individual to search for his own truth. If someone believes the 9 o'clock news he will not believe most of the stuff on the Rothshilds. If someone dosen't then he might, so I don't link into the face of bias, just comment on what, after reading a lot of stuff, I consider to be the closest account of a truth which is somewhat elusive.



[edit on 23-7-2008 by Zepherian]



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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fatherlukeduke - nice post, well thought out and researched. My hat is off.

strangebrew - my name is a reference to the ripper killings, and have nothing to do with my religious tendencies. I think I believe in God, but it's a journey man. Your post, however, is ridiculously insulting and boneheaded. It sounds like you are the one with already formed opinions that isn't open to new ideas. Like I said, show me something...I've done boatloads of research because this site is very interesting to me but I can't find anything...show me something, don't tell me to watch a propaganda video.



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by White Chapel
fatherlukeduke - nice post, well thought out and researched. My hat is off.

strangebrew - my name is a reference to the ripper killings, and have nothing to do with my religious tendencies. I think I believe in God, but it's a journey man. Your post, however, is ridiculously insulting and boneheaded. It sounds like you are the one with already formed opinions that isn't open to new ideas. Like I said, show me something...I've done boatloads of research because this site is very interesting to me but I can't find anything...show me something, don't tell me to watch a propaganda video.



You really are quite the specimen. It says you've been here since 2005. If you have done boatloads of research and actually hold the opinions in your posts, then you have no right to use the term boneheaded.

[edit on 23-7-2008 by StrangeBrew]



posted on Jul, 23 2008 @ 08:45 PM
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typical response from your ilk, none of your opinions can stand serious scrutiny and those that look at the information and come to blatantly different conclusions are blind, stupid, an NWO member themselves, or need to wake up. it is with great pleasure that I /ignore you now...


[edit on 23-7-2008 by White Chapel]



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 03:55 AM
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Genius, pure genius...
One of the best responses I have seen on ATS!



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