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Originally posted by Shoktek
We shouldn't give anyone the right to decide if someone is to be given the death penalty unless there is a 100% foolproof way to do so fairly...and that is impossible.
As for if my child were murdered, I probably would feel like killing the person, but I wouldn't actually do it, or seek the death penalty...I don't think it would make anyone feel better, and the person who did it would have to think about it the rest of their life in a federal prison--they will suffer plenty in there for the crime, but not die.
And the teachings of Jesus were that you should never kill anyone. It clearly also says in the 10 commandments thou shalt not kill, and I dont think the government is given an exemption to that rule, as God will decide that person's fate.
Originally posted by Shoktek
All you pro-death penalty people: What do you propose to make it fair(er) to minorities...whites time and time again go to jail and blacks are killed. ?
Originally posted by bolshevik
i dont think anyone is born evil (the term evil itself is simplistic to the point of absurdity) but that people become unlawful due to outside influence
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
In the U.S., all "law" is based upon our Christian foundation. Mind you, don't get law confused with statutes, codes and regulations.
By your figuring, a Christian should not even have to go to court because of a crime, as all he has to do is ask forgiveness from his Father. Nope, again, studying the Bible for one's self, not getting soundbites hear and there, will clarify many things.
The death penalty does one thing VERY well. It makes damn sure that the person does not harm anyone else.
Originally posted by The Fifth Column
People become unlawful through the choices they make via their free will. Unless you believe in the philosophy of humans being entirely directed by stimuli of their sensibilities, making them more or less automata then you have to accept some degree of free will. Thus with free will established individual responsiblity for your actions logically follows.
This is excused by relativist liberals using for example a criminal being a product of their environment, the reasonably evident fact of free will is ignored or played down.
Now having commited a crime via free will and needing accept little or no responsiblity results in a society where the victim is often or always suffers more than the perpetrator. How ever you look at that its just plain retarded.
Prisoners recieving a free education and not having to work when fulltime working law abiders may not be able to afford an education.
One thing G Bush has got right is there IS good and evil and it can clearly be defined by its actions.
For the question of blacks being more likely to get the DP than whites, once again if they commited the crime who cares? They have recieved just punishment. The question is why are whites getting let off?
The problem with liberals is its always for them a question of ultimate utopian justice which is unnatainable and often contradictory:
Social justice (welfare) doesnt work it steals in the name of justice and has done little to help poverty.
Affirmative action is racist in the name of anti-racism.
You cant in the current criminal justice system account for prejudice in the minds of jurors and prosecutors, and thanks to this you cant expect to attain equality between race when there is variation in sentencing. So by liberal sentencing liberals come full circle and get an end result of inequality between races in the criminal justice system.
Now if they had just accepted a flat rate death penalty on 1st degree murder they would never have encountered this problem.
As for innocents being killed well, its unfortunate but you just have to accept it in the same way we accept innocents are imprisoned.
Originally posted by hmmm
i'm for the death penalty. first of all god has to be excluded from this. and if you were a christian then wouldnt the death penalty make sense? becuase gods court is the only one that matters and blah blah. i have a plauqe hanging in my living room that says "if ye do well and suffer for it take it patiently- this is acceptable with god"
also the punishment wouldnt be "barbaric" or uncivilized if the crime wasnt uncivilized. you must understand that as long as there is someone out there who commits these crimes there has to be punishment. just like thier cant be world piece if even just 1 nation still wants to fight. heres a different quote for you thant the old eye for an eye. "fight fire with fire" if someone punches you, punch them back. if someone murders someone murder them back. you cant use the ol "god says thou shalt not kill" bull crap cause religion cant interfere with government matters. also you cant even prove god said such a thing or that god even exists. anyway yes there are mistakes made but havent we always sacrificed the few for the good of the whole?
matter of fact you should make all felony charges just have one penalty. DEATH. think about it. we have all seen movies about prison and watched the tv show oz. do people get reabilitated in prison? do they learn the error of their ways? no they rape each other and fight and cuss and in most cases get worse then when they went in. if there were such severe punishments one of two things would happen. 1. no one would commit crimes for fear of being killed. 2. they would become smarter at their crimes and not get caught. which one is more plausible?
i agree we SHOULD be able to protect people like that but its obvious we cant. therefore our current situation. if someone is attacking you what is the best way to make them stop? by turning the tables on them. if we wait for an attack that will not make the attack not happen. or make it anymore right. people are still going to kill and get killed. if i knew i was going to fight someone and i mean i knew. they were squared off with me and in my face i would definetly punch first. i wouldnt wait for him to hit me in the face. maybe you have some revolutionary way i dont know about.
maybe we should be considering why our society still seems to produce criminals instead of how we handle them.