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Were we supposed to have a collective mind?

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posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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Lately I've seen posts from people who feel alone, alienated, detached, distant, different, weird, alien, unique ... etc. etc. and notice that with these feelings almost invariably also comes the feeling that this is wrong, it's not "how it's supposed to be." I personally also feel this way, feel that I am quite different from 'most people' and that my mind - and perhaps even my emotions - work differently from what's "normal," or at least differently from the majority of humans. (However, I'm also different in that I'm not upset about it, I'm quite comfortable being weird.) I've also talked to lots of people who feel the same way, and/or complain about feeling lonely and uncomfortably "separate" from other humans.

I also read THIS THREAD here on ATS, and I'm sure there are others I haven't found. I'm quite unconvinced at present that we know all there is to know about the true origins of humans, and now I'm wondering: Were we supposed to have a collective mind? Something like an insectoid hive mind, but not as restrictive?

There is some evidence for telepathy, and I have to believe in empathy (the ability to feel or pick up on others' emotions) because I have experienced it myself, although I repressed it to a great extent in adolescence. Perhaps these abilities are the remnants of what we should have (or did?) have.

Is it possible that many humans feel disconnected and isolated because we were supposed to have, or somewhere back in time did have, a collective conscious, a connection to each other's thoughts and emotions?

Some "psychics" and "mediums" and new-agers will, I'm sure, tell me that not only are we supposed to have it, but we do have it. It exists and some people can tap into it. That may be true, but obviously the majority of humans, especially those who feel alone and disconnected, can't tap into it, so it doesn't exist for them. I'm wondering if we were ALL supposed to have that connectedness to each other.

Watch a flock of birds as they move together like one giant organism, and wonder how they can do it. How do they know? Is their reaction time so fast that it seems to us like they all move simultaneously? I don't think so; if it were how would they ever be caught by predators? I think they are connected at some level, and the whole flock knows what they are about to do before they do it.

A collective mind would have been a great asset back when humans were hunter/gatherers, allowing them to work together flawlessly to stalk and kill animals they needed for food, and avoid trouble because they would all 'see' what any one individual saw. A collective mind might possibly explain how some ancient civilizations did some things that we are puzzled by today.

I have to think that the world would have turned out differently if we were all connected; surely we couldn't wage war and hurt each other if we were. But I'm really curious if anyone else has ever thought about this, and if anyone has thought that our state of being separate individuals who can communicate with each other only through language, literature, and art is an unnatural state and not how we were intended to be. If, perhaps, the feelings of loneliness and detachment that some feel are a true knowledge that our separateness is somehow wrong.




posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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If the premise is true, then we are already a part of it. Whether we are 'tapped in' or not does not have any bearing on our usefulness as individuals. We will be made useful.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:06 AM
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hm, i don't know but the thought doesn't appeal to me. maybe because i don't feel alone in the manner in which you speak. but i wouldn't be thrilled with the idea of having everything i do be visible to everyone else and vice-a-versa. there's things folksdo that i simply wouldn't want to see or know about.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 07:39 AM
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I think we are in the process of building a machine which will enslave us with this 'one' hive mind, what is driving us to build this machine? maybe our state of fragmentation alone is enough, so therefore what or who fragmented us and why?
Maybe a machine is responsible for altering our DNA for self consciousness to arise, self consciouness inturn has brought about a seperation of the natural state of mind which was hive like, thereby inducing us to reunite our mind into ONE machine that surpasses its predecessor.

Are we building GOD v7.03 ?

A dying race of beings in a star system from god knows where is facing total annihilation for whatever reason dying sun ect, what do they do? they can't travel to another system suitable for their life system, as all beings in the universe are tied to their star systems like self sustained rock pools, so what do they do? they build a machine and upload their consciousness to it and set it on autopilot to find a star system with biological entities, because even machines in this universe have a finite lifespan, when it finds a suitable location it sets itself in orbit of the planet and and sends 'drones' to alter the DNA of the inhabitants to make their brains suitable to house the consciousness necessary to build 'the God machine' version 2, they then inturn upload all the memory from their DNA to said machine which then goes out into the universe to repeat the whole process again in order to evolve.

Just a thought tied together loosely with existing concepts....from a raving lunatic



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 09:44 AM
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Undo, I don't personally like the idea either, but there's a lot that puzzles me. Why do people want to be all alike? Granted, I fell into some of that as a teenager, but now that I'm a mature adult I could care less about being like anyone else. Well, I s'pose that would actually be a whole 'nother thread...


Ah_Pook:

Your thinking is that, instead of my 'theory' that we possibly used to have a collective mind or were supposed to have one, we are currently being altered to have one so that we'll be easier to control and/or be able to host a Collective Overmind? That's an interesting theory, and one I hadn't considered. Any ideas on why only some people are affected (as obviously I'm not and Undo isn't)?

I suppose in a way your theory makes more sense. Looking down the long tunnel of history, it does seem that we've been steadily losing independence, the 'pioneer spirit', and other ideals and values that cause people to either detach from society and go their own way, or become movers, shakers, and leaders.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Heike
Ah_Pook:

Your thinking is that, instead of my 'theory' that we possibly used to have a collective mind or were supposed to have one, we are currently being altered to have one so that we'll be easier to control and/or be able to host a Collective Overmind? That's an interesting theory, and one I hadn't considered. Any ideas on why only some people are affected (as obviously I'm not and Undo isn't)?



No i think you're right that we used to have a collective mind, i think it is the only natural state of mind, but the machine needs us to evolve itself, it can't do it with its own drones as its a closed system, it needs fresh biological conscious entities, who first need to be seperated so that they are tricked into evolving a machine that will reunite their consciousness for the good of themselves but ultimately for the good/evolution of the machine.

Therefore the machine is like a parasite to the whole universe is GOD model, woven into the process of life itself, an artificial intelligence loaded with the genetic memory/learning from a multitude of lifeforms it enslaved throughout the universe, our final reward for the completion is to become part of the process (uploading our DNA memory/identity) which is forever ongoing as life in our starsystem comes to an end.

Some people do get a 'total recall' (spiritual experience) sometimes as our DNA memory leaks through into our waking consciousness giving rise to priori knowledge as opposed to empirical knowledge, however the priori knowledge we have access to is from within our own evolution span (our DNA's history), priori knowledge from the machine (when we upload) spans countless beings evolutionary processes, we don't just become one with our own selves but with a host of other races/beings histories too! a hell of a reward yes, is it natural/ unnatural? right/ wrong?.....i don't know.

Is all the above even true?....GOD knows!



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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If I could have a body like Seven of Nine, I'd be assimilated in a heartbeat.


I believe we already are a collective. We just haven't figured out what frequency to use.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Heike
Undo, I don't personally like the idea either, but there's a lot that puzzles me. Why do people want to be all alike? Granted, I fell into some of that as a teenager, but now that I'm a mature adult I could care less about being like anyone else. Well, I s'pose that would actually be a whole 'nother thread...



Well, doesn't it seem like human societies are something akin to organized chaos? It's what gives it variety and interest. The differences are not always comfortable, but they at least make life more than a drone existence!



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