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Originally posted by ablue07
reply to post by magicmushroom
Who are you? and what country do you hail from. I don't like what we are doing either and there are no easy answers. Your solutions don't sound good to me however. I would bet you are on a methadone clinic. I'm of the opinion that you are a drug addict living and dreaming a pipe dream.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
The US openly courted and supported Saddam Insane a known despot and murderer of his own people yet the US backed him and supplied him with the means to fight the Iranians. The same very US that then fabricated evidence to say SI was behind 9/11 yet there was not one shred of proof to back that claim up.
Why people such as you think you can attack anyone you like but when they hit back you scream terrorists etc. Well no they are not and just as you stated before, the people of Iraq are doing just what you advocate, fighting against a foreign invader and aggressor.
America has Global ambitions and as such is a threat to every nation on this Planet just like the Nazis before them
Did we invade Mexico? NO! Canada? NO! would they have been cheaper and easier? Most likely maybe doesn't matter. Do we buy oil from them? Yes
The US is now following in those very same footsteps, you can be patriotic all you like but the simple fact remains that if the US continues on its present course in will be to the ruin of the nation and its people.
Please try and think outside of the box and look to the bigger picture and all that has gone before. The more desperate America becomes the more likelyhood of a major conflict. None of this is new, history is replete with such events and if you can see past your patriotic views you will see that power comes with a price and when you are at the top the only direction you can go in is downward
Hitler blamed the Jews for all the ills of Germany is America now blaming the Muslims for theirs.
Umm gee you are giving the similarities without anything else makes for a loaded question MM how very strawman man of you as usual
The UK and Germany borrowed money from the US to wage war against each other, the US is now doing the same, borrowing money to wage war, can you see the similarities here
Please dont make that basic mistake in thinking that it cannot happen in the USA, it can and it already has, there are those who will pay to kill anyone, you, your family and everyone you know. Dont believe me, just do a little reading on past Empires, despots and corrupt regimes.
Originally posted by nerbot
I hope you persevere a little more when you confront unwanted opinions in other threads or you should maybe stick to subjects that fit in with your personal views better. Good luck.
Then you have not taken the time to actually read some of these posts properly.
Are you only able to absorb the things you like or agree with?
It is up to you and those of a similar view to start reading between the lines and learn beyond the obvious, presented information.
You try to kill what you fear, and you fear what you don't understand!
What are you afraid of?...sorry things can't be more perfect to you but learning to accept things you are not happy with can be quite revealling.
I hope you persevere a little more when you confront unwanted opinions in other threads or you should maybe stick to subjects that fit in with your personal views better. Good luck.
Originally posted by Lethil
Sorry but we in the uk like muslims except for a very small percentage of ignorant bigoted people with mindsets much like yourself.So the more the merrier imo.
Originally posted by XIDIXIDIX
Originally posted by Lethil
Sorry but we in the uk like muslims except for a very small percentage of ignorant bigoted people with mindsets much like yourself.So the more the merrier imo.
That's fine, but that isn't what Muslims say about you and unless you are Muslim you are guilty of a crime worthy of death. My mindset? HA HA Lemme guess you are Muslim? If not then you are just a sad set of circumstances waiting to happen and it couldn't happen to anyone more deserving than you
Originally posted by Lethil
Originally posted by XIDIXIDIX
Originally posted by Lethil
Sorry but we in the uk like muslims except for a very small percentage of ignorant bigoted people with mindsets much like yourself.So the more the merrier imo.
That's fine, but that isn't what Muslims say about you and unless you are Muslim you are guilty of a crime worthy of death. My mindset? HA HA Lemme guess you are Muslim? If not then you are just a sad set of circumstances waiting to happen and it couldn't happen to anyone more deserving than you
Yes well i know many muslims and friends with many...One good thing is they are not as idiotic as you are,
Please stay in your hate filled us against them bubble. Thankyou
Originally posted by magicmushroom
XID, thanks for coming back to this thread, I thought you had given up.
For a start off you contradict yourself by saying that I was wrong stating that the US courted and hepled Saddam
Originally posted by magicmushroom
The US openly courted and supported Saddam Insane a known despot and murderer of his own people yet the US backed him and supplied him with the means to fight the Iranians.
” This is incorrect MM and as usual a mis representation of the facts. You seem to think America has some crystal ball. Yes we "Backed" Sadam and for good reason, if we had NOT done that, Iran would surely have won the war between the two and Iran would have been that much closer to controling the ME and most likely starting a war with Israel.
Sadam wasn't the best choice but he was the only choice given the circumstances and American interests. So quit trying to shame us into some quilt trip about sadam”
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” I know the reasons why but we are not discussing the Iran/Iraq war are we.
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” And I'm affraid that the UK much to your dissapointment is not full of American hating or West hating Muslims. The majority are hard working people who come here for a better life and to escape the fanatics at home.
February 25, 2006
Australians Have Brilliant Idea About Immigration’s Cultural Effect: Stop It!
By Donald A. Collins
In 2005, there was a series of race riots in Australia which began with a mob confrontation near a beachfront at Cronulla, a southern coastal suburb of Sydney, Australia’s largest city. On Sunday, December 11, after reported incidents of assault and intimidation, approximately 5000 people gathered in an ad-hoc protest to "reclaim the beach" from certain groups of non-locals, most of whom were identified in media reports as Lebanese Muslims.
The demonstration initially assembled without incident. But violence broke out after a large segment of the mostly white crowd chased a Middle Eastern man into a hotel. The ensuing mêlée soon became widespread. In the course of it, a number of police officers, ambulance officers and others perceived by the mob as Lebanese, were assaulted.
The following nights saw incidents of retaliatory violence and vandalism by Lebanese immigrants in Cronulla and other suburbs throughout the southern Sydney Metropolitan Area.
The result: an unprecedented police lock-down of the beaches in Sydney and surrounding areas, from Wollongong to Newcastle.
Since then, immigration has gotten extra coverage in the Australian press. In an email I recently received from Professor Katharine Betts, my correspondent in Melbourne and author of The Great Divide, I learned that The Australian (on p. 1) reported an Australian Cabinet Minister as saying that
Muslim extremists are "not welcome in Australia."
The Archbishop just can't bring himself to stick to the blatant truth. Nor does he discuss the overt lack of acceptance by muslims for Christians (regardless of foreign policies) - - certainly not now or ever -perhaps he should check the Quran. When dealing with Christians, Islamic countries have never even remotely come close to the knee bent pandering and absurd sensitivity shown to muslims in UK - we (Christian or otherwise) are expected to virtually twist ourselves into pretzels rather than say, write or do anything that muslims may find offensive. The idea that if we keep being understanding and sycophants to muslims they will eventually be nice to us- IS NOT NOR WILL IT EVER WORK.
IF the people of the UK have not "woken up" to the plight of Christians, in the Middle East, perhaps it is due to them being so focused on trying to retain their British identity, culture, mores, traditions, religion and language as they suffer the Muslim global project of colonization of Great Britain
What Europeans are saying
Europe has foolishly provided us with a living social experiment showing the effect of substantial Muslim immigration into western society. The results are not pretty and the United States should reject its customary attitude of exceptionalism regarding immigration to take a long hard look. There is an opinion on both sides of the Atlantic that the U.S. does a better job at assimilating immigrants, and that we Americans therefore can more successfully accommodate millions who do not accept our core values. That idea is a terrible arrogance, and the assimilation ideal is now history anyway. The only difference between the U.S. and Europe is the numbers, and when a critical mass is reached here, we too will experience increased violence against Jews, Christians and others whom the jihadists target
The terrorist threat remains a daily possibility, as shown by the horrific Madrid train bombing March 11, 2004, in which around 200 were killed and 1800 were injured. The Amsterdam assassination of film-maker Theo Van Gogh by a Moroccan man in broad daylight demonstrated that murder could result when a European artist created an edgy film (Submission) of which Muslims disapproved. A Rotterdam film festival pulled that short work when Islamic intimidation was forthcoming.
Freedom of expression becomes rapidly curtailed when credible death threats are delivered to artists, along with politicians courageous enough to challenge the Muslim fascists.
theopinionator.typepad.com...
France has been fighting a losing battle against the rising demographic tide. It has fought on the symbolic level to preserve its secular identity, insisting that religious clothing, e.g. the hijab, not be worn in schools. Muslim violence against Jews has risen to the point where a growing number are leaving for Israel, where they believe they will be safer. In Marseilles several thousand people marched last November to protest the murder of Ghofrane Haddaoui, a young Tunisian-born French woman who had been stoned to death by several Muslim males for refusing the sexual advances of one.
Such horrific crimes are another reason why Europe is turning against multiculturalism.
Worse, extremist-run mosques are the norm in the U.S., not the exception. Jihad expert Robert Spencer estimates that 80 percent of mosques in this country follow the Wahhabist line.
Certainly not every single Muslim living in America wants to replace the Constitution with sharia law. By the same token, not all Germans were Nazis in WWII either, but that didn't stop the U.S. from bombing German cities into rubble. Preserving our safety and way of life requires un-Politically Correct generalizations about certain groups.
www.thesocialcontract.com...
Originally posted by magicmushroom
As for West Coasts wishes I'm affraid he will be upset as well cos this thread aint going to die because I will keep it alive for as long as it takes and so will others, those who wish to learn the truth about what those who control America have in store for the rest of us and Americans as well.
So you can cry all you want to, stamp your feat and do what ever else turns you on. People such as you and those who think like you attempt to keep others from the real truth. You are nothing more than Corporate pawns and you don't even realise it.
It would appear that despite what ever information is presented to you you just slag off and deny. Unless of course its something positive about America or Americans, well as I said before if you want to start a thread on that I'm sure there are lots of things I can comment on what is good. But we are not disscusing how hard Americans. work, or how generous they are or what they have contributed to society.
We are debating America's Foreign Policy, PNAC, and the Global expansion of America. That is the topic in hand, not my country or anyone else's so either discuss that or go elsewhere if this thread offends you. Or alternatively you can take part in the discussion and put your views , feeling and opinions forward.
Just think in Germany in the early 1930's Hitler was seen as a God, a saviour to the people, that they were willing to give up anything for their Leader, their rights, their liberties and freedom, what do you think they thought at the end of 1945. We either learn from history or we are doomed to make the same mistakes.
You have a choice you can drop the patriotic bull and think freely for yourself or you can be used and abused, which is it?