Attack America Now

Originally posted by magicmushroom
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nevermind, it isn't worth it



[edit on 3-8-2008 by Conspiriology]

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Okaay... was that words of anger? I hope so 'cause that's rather hatefull...

What about the people? Honestly they don't ALL deserve that.

Originally posted by ParaFreaky
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Okaay... was that words of anger? I hope so 'cause that's rather hatefull...

What about the people? Honestly they don't ALL deserve that.

What? knock off the bullcrap you and your bait and alert team are doing every one is aware of it on this thread so nice try

BTW,, I couldn't blame a soul for going ballistic on this thread

read it

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Oh I've read it. Some pretty nasty stuff. I couldn't blame no one either. Sorry, I get what you mean.

Originally posted by FiatLux
MM, I`m sorry but, you would make a great political leader in this country, I believe you missed your calling. All he asked for was a yes or no answer, that`s all, yes or no. And what do you give him? Wind, plain and simple, a line of spiel a mile long. It really makes me wonder just what your true agenda is. To open people eyes as to whats going on over here? I can`t see that any more, not after these last question and answer threads. As with a good politician, they don`t answer a question straight forward, they can`t, it would give them away, so they talk around it. Just watch the political debates that go on just before an election, it`s the same thing. And now, your starting to sound just like them. Sure, what your saying sounds good and all, but, I believe your starting to drive it into the ground, it`s like a tape recorder set on loop. If you can`t answer his question with a simple yes, or no, then I suggest you give it a rest.

Not only that but he also assumes the way xid interpreted the word "attacked". I think HOW he would attack was going to be next but in the last u2u he sent me he was only interested in sending a formal letter to ATS and some other stuff he wanted to know.

Xid never says how he understood it so it is MM that is the one beinbg presumptious and he never did answer the question.

Oh and I have to disagree fiat. What MM says does NOT sound good.

It sounds silly like something a 10 year old "twoofer" says after watching his first loose change vid. As a matter of fact, it's this kind of twoofer that ruined it for them by making them all look this

silly

- Con

Originally posted by magicmushroom

Because of your warlike mentality you took it to mean an actual attack on your country.

WAKE UP MM! Read the title of your OP! The name of the thread the name of the thread the name of the thread is what?



ATTACK AMERICA NOW!!!

Not attack america with kid gloves or with nasty words or whatever you think, we aren't mind readers and fortune tellers like you MM. You didn't give details. XID gave no such interpretation but you been putting words in peoples mouths since this thread began I think people are getting pretty sick and tired of it

And no amount of name calling, insults or any other Patriotic statement is going to change the outcome of what is about to happen.

No amount of your posts to the contrary is going to make it happen MM


- Con






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Originally posted by magicmushroom
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

This doesn't lead to facism

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

This is why Bush kept it covert because no one would stand for it and why our supreme court ruled on it recently. Yes MM the system isn't perfect but it does work most of the time

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

You mean people like you MM ?? You just descibed the very act you are doing now. Trying to start all your drama and lies and casting every single person who opposes your opinion as the enemy using your own brand of patriotism.

Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

wrong

Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid.

Governments everywhere throughout history have been that way MM

Opposition to abortion is high

It should be. Today their is really no reason or excuse for it but that has nothing to do with facism ,

Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Just because they are talking about it doesn't mean we are afraid of it MM

Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Sorry, if anything, that is counterproductive here

Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Can't disagree with this one

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Doesn't apply here

Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

I got no complaints with cops here. You do what the tell ya and they do their job I do mine.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

this happens everywhere

Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

nope, and if it does happen, their are always whistle blowers but we don't have the problems others have with it

Dose any of this sound familiar?

Should it?

- Con

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Man u need to stop beliveing thoes liberal tree huggers who say that everything would be alright without war. As for you I think The US should use one of its tons of nuclear weapons and conduct a tactical nucular strike on what ever god forsaken spit of land you call home. If u live in the US u should be kill for treason. IF your country is an allie of the US then no one give a $h!t about your plan to take down america.

SPOT, what high well educated wise words from yet another arrogant and ignorant American. I bet you would have loved the Nazis and their despot regime, they did exactly what you propose, that is wage war based on the superiority of its own people against all others and committed crimes against humanity just like the US has done and is doing.

Have you got you flags, drums and shiny boots yet I believe Walmart are doing a discount on them. Given the US's population you would think there would be at least some people who had the cranial fortitude who could post logical and rational discussions about this thread but it would appear not to be the case.

What A fine specimen you are in representing your country with your well chosen words. And you wonder why people hate America.

CON, I'm not a patriot so dont call me one and if you can even be bothered if you do some simple research you will see even here on ATS, how much we are told on a daily basis of how good the US military is and who's ass it can wup so no your wrong.

And as for military spending have you checked the figures, more and more money is being allocated for fighting illegal wars and many are calling for the increase of US forces so dont tell me I'm wrong. This is info from your own Goverment so if I'm wrong so are they then. Again do some research and exercise that brain of yours.

And the steps to Fascism are there even if you dont want to admit it or agree with it, it does not change what is happening with the US. In your case its called denial, the belief that your country could not possibly go that way but it is and many Americans people are saying so. Are they all wrong, are they all telling lies or is it you cannot bare to face the truth.

MM, we know why some people hate America. It`s because of fear mongers and hate mongers like yourself who love to spread garbage to the wind just to see who will get stired up by it. Oh, don`t worry MM, were not going to come over and blow up your country, so your safe. There are to many people out here who are not going to let you get away with your little game your here to play. Good try, but were not buying it, sorry.

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Everything going on in America right now is a direct result of the world elite running the show. If American citizens actually took their Country back from the corporations who wish to do them harm, then everything would change.

If you want to stop what America is doing, then don't do something that wil hurt it's people, stop it's corrupt leaders.

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MM is not lying he is telling the truth.

America is a fascism, or at least we are well on our way to becoming one. Terrorism is just propaganda that our own U.S. government has used against us as an excuse to invade the Middle East.

George Bush is a brilliant conman because he has convinced us that he is "incompetent", when in fact it is my opinion that Bush is faking his stupidity:

www.youtube.com...

MM is absolutely right when he says that America is Nazi Germany right before WWII. Adolf Hitler had his soldiers attack its own people disguised as Jews so that Germany would actually believe that they were being attacked by an enemy.

Then the Germans had their rights taken away for the sake of "security", sounds similar to the Patriot Acts and Fisa bill to me.

EverythingYouDespise:

In your post of 19-7-2008 @ 06:14 PM I read with some sense of awe the following: "... why is it that America's never waged a war of conquest?"

Do mine eyes decieve me, or is it perhaps that with a severely blinkered view of history you've forgotten the wars of extermination against the native peoples of North America, soveren nations holding treaties of friendship with the United States, or perhaps you thought Mexico started the war of 1848 (the Mexican-American War) by which means huge tracts of land were, um..."ceeded" to the United States, perhaps the coup d'état in Hawaii, resulting in the siezure of THAT sovern nation didn't happen either, or the attempted invasion of Canada in 1813 which failed so miserably at the gates of Winsor. Shall we mention the Spanish-American war of 1898 resulting in the conquest of the Phillipines and Cuba.

"...never waged a war of conquest?"

I'd say that some additional reading in history is necessary. Either that or your sense of the ridiculous is sublime.

By the by, my people have been in North America since before there was a United States, ancestors fought in the Revolution, others have been here in excess of ten thousand years, so I guess we have a bit of provenance.

But I suppose the "America, Love it or leave it" types don't bother with little thing like facts when on a rant, eh?

"...never waged a war of conquest?" Bull#!

Originally posted by magicmushroom
SPOT, what high well educated wise words from yet another arrogant and ignorant American. I bet you would have loved the Nazis and their despot regime, they did exactly what you propose, that is wage war based on the superiority of its own people against all others and committed crimes against humanity just like the US has done and is doing.

Have you got you flags, drums and shiny boots yet I believe Walmart are doing a discount on them. Given the US's population you would think there would be at least some people who had the cranial fortitude who could post logical and rational discussions about this thread but it would appear not to be the case.

What A fine specimen you are in representing your country with your well chosen words. And you wonder why people hate America.

He said what most people in any country would say or wish they could say to someone proposing to attack their country.

You should be the one to talk about education mushroom,, you're still believing in mind reading tricks, fortune telling, and relying on manufactured evidence in the form of quotes argued against those who never made the statements to begin with. You talk about having a rational logical debate and you have no idea, not a clue how to participate in one. You get asked yes or no questions you dance around never answering them in the fashion they were given.

You ask for proof that the NAU was never a treaty but nothing more than an urban legend and you deny the irefutable governments documents where no mention of such a dismal NAU as you suggest, is ever mentioned.

You're a juggernaut of disinformation hell bent on your own ideas of the future and I have written more posts about facist America with more accurate information then you have twice over and then some.

What you are talking about is already being handled and the rest of it is rehashed hyperbole. I would love to talk about the PNAC with you and my first question would be to ask you where it says our agenda is to take over the world or anything whatsoever about fascism ?

Like most every other time we have asked you to prove a damn thing you say, I won't hold my breath. From the u2u's I get, most people talk as if this thread and all your other anti american "stuff" is nothing more than a side show act and yes of course it is I that is in denial, wouldn't that be just like you to say when the evidence or your lack of it suggests YOU are.

You come in here talking smack about my country suggesting others should risk dying to join you in the attack, yet when it comes to YOU,,,

Well then you are not an advocate of violence or any military action. Yeah then all of a sudden it's about sanctions that will never work and other punishments that if they were done to us by your country, we would have no recourse because in your words, you could "own our ass" because you have viking blood in you. Pfffft




If you only knew what a fool you have made of yourself here.

The emperor has no clothes

- Con




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I can't believe you blame america for all this crap as if it's the first imperialistic nation ever. Throughout history, nations become nations only by being imperialistic enough to obtain the siz/strength necessary to be recognized as such. The fact is, I'm thankful that america has all that power cause if not them, then who? I'm canadian, and we deal with americans all the time up here so we know them, and all i gotta say is don't # with my big bro. He may do some dumb # but he means well. peace all!
lol....don't mess with big bro...ohhh the irony.....

Originally posted by dalan.



MM is not lying he is telling the truth.

MM wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass. Read the whole thread guy, he has been busted lying so many times it should be embarrasing and would be if he wasn't so fond of himself and his opinions.

America is a fascism, or at least we are well on our way to becoming one.

Yeah and he called me a liar on that one too but I left links to posts agreeing to that very eventuality. What he doesn't realize is that we have it contained. You don't seem to know how Americans think and we know all the crap Bush has done.

Terrorism is just propaganda that our own U.S. government has used against us as an excuse to invade the Middle East.

No terrorism is real and it can happen here again and yes I agree a terrorist attack was used as a false flag of sorts to attack Iraq but attacking iraq was inevitable, if Bush didn't do it, the next President would have to.

George Bush is a brilliant conman because he has convinced us that he is "incompetent", when in fact it is my opinion that Bush is faking his stupidity

It doesn't matter does it.

MM is absolutely right when he says that America is Nazi Germany right before WWII. Adolf Hitler had his soldiers attack its own people disguised as Jews so that Germany would actually believe that they were being attacked by an enemy.

I am not even going to dignify this with an answer, it's absurd.

Then the Germans had their rights taken away for the sake of "security", sounds similar to the Patriot Acts and Fisa bill to me.

We had ours taken away before too during WWII and shortly after the war they were all reinstated. Ill worry about it if and when it happens but to get all uptight about what MM "Thinks" will happen using his crystal ball is just as silly as he is for sugesting such prophetic revelation.

if he would like to debate me in a ATS debate I would love to, I am certain he would lose rather easily

- Con

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FIAT, if you cannot even be bothered to read what I post whats the point, America and its people are hated for the killing it does, get that through you thick head. Its America's Foreign Policy that is the problem backed up by PNAC and America's Global ambitions that is causing the problems.

Yet again not one of you so called Americans can even discuss these policies and they are yours, they are not made up by me so its obvious to me that you cannot even be bothered to find out just what is going on in your own country and that is just plain ignorance.

And I know I dont have to worry about you attacking my country because we own and are running yours smart ass. And far from seeing through my little game you cannot even see with your eyes. Not one of you have even been a challenge to me, it becoming rather tedious not having intelligent people to chat to, but as they say you have to use the cards you are dealt.

HEYO, again as I have stated to others read what I have posted, I have never said the US was the only Imperial Power there have been many including my own.

CON, DENIAL, DENIAL,DENIAL, I have to be kind and say to you that you are really a silly old fool. I really love the way you try to say I am a liar when I have stated things that even your own president has said, eminent Americans and lay Americans alike. Yet you say its all lies. Well you have given it your best shot yet have come up wanting I'm affraid. You see you can never stiffle the voice of thruth. No matter how many times you tell yourself, no matter how many times you discuss it with your mates, it dose not change one thing.

Keep them blinkers on, stuff them fingers real hard into those ears and maybe it will all go away.

Originally posted by magicmushroom

FIAT, if you cannot even be bothered to read what I post whats the point, America and its people are hated for the killing it does, get that through you thick head. Its America's Foreign Policy that is the problem backed up by PNAC and America's Global ambitions that is causing the problems.

MM what the hell do you think PNAC has to do with it? Do you even know what that is? Do you think it is some Government mandate and where does it say in the PNAC anything about "Global Ambitions"? Just what do you mean by "Global Ambitions"?

Yet again not one of you so called Americans can even discuss these policies and they are yours

MM why dont YOU try getting this through YOUR thick HEAD! The NAU IS NOT a TREATY! So there is NO Policy to discuss! There is nothing in there about putting us in prison if we don't bow down to the NAU and there is nothing in there about blending our Country into anyone elses, not Canada or Mexico. You insist on wanting to discuss imagined policy from things that have no bearing on our Policy and THAT is why they don't want to discuss it!

The PNAC is not Government Policy, First of all, was PNAC actually calling for a new Pearl Harbor, as being preferable to it not occurring?

the evidence says no.

If you look at the rest of the paragraph, on page 51, it becomes apparent that all they are doing is laying out a timetable for technological transformation of the military. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.

Thus, this report advocates a two-stage process of change - transition and transformation- over the coming decade.

So even if we make the leap that PNAC is calling for a new "Pearl Harbor" in the form of 9/11, then what type of "transformation" are they calling for that would be accelerated by 9/11?

are they calling for increased airport security? Increased use of special tactical defense systems? Black operations forces? The US invasion of Afghanistan? The invasion of Iraq?

No, they are calling for something complete different. From the same page as the "new Pearl Harbor" quote, they point out 3 "new missions", none of which have anything to do with the response to 9/11:


Global missile defenses:
so we may knock em out of the sky before they get here.

Control of space and cyberspace:
The internet and satellites

Pursuing a two-stage strategy for of transforming conventional forces.

Not only did their strategy get totally derailed by 9/11, it exascerbated the central issue the pnac think tank was called upon to solve!

the Pentagon, constrained by limited budgets and pressing current missions, has seen funding for experimentation and transformation crowded out in recent years. Spending on military research and development has been reduced dramatically over the past decade. Thanks to Bill Clinton who was the one that was SUPPOSED to invade Iraq NOT bush. Clinton got embroiled in his monica lewinski fisco and left things lay. So even relatively minor operations in Bosnia and Kosovo were interfering with what they viewed as necessary funding for R & D, and the conspiracy theorists want us to believe that they thought the solution was to get the US involved in two vastly more expensive and manpower intensive wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which have absolutely nothing to do with the technological transformation they are talking about.

PNAC is not some plan for Global expansionism nor is it a plan for American imperialism. If you say so than you'll have to show me where you get that idea.

Unless you quote mined it cherry picking discontextualized quotes the same way Videos like loose change and other idiotic fantasy baloney has, would be the only way you could suggest it and even THAT would be reaching. You obviously never read the PNAC or you have not fully comprehended what it is saying and are back to adding your own spin on things typed.

PNAC is NOT a Policy so it can not be discussed get THAT through your head.

, they are not made up by me so its obvious to me that you cannot even be bothered to find out just what is going on in your own country and that is just plain ignorance.

And I know I dont have to worry about you attacking my country because we own and are running yours smart ass.

Well IF YOU ARE RUNNING OURS! THEN YOU FIX IT THEN!

Fact is you ain't running anything but your mouth again MM, YOU got any proof you are running our Country? HEY everyoone ! The UK is running the United States Now! Yeah they OWN us and they RUN US! so it sounds like all this crap you've been bitching about is NOT OUR fault but YOURS!

And far from seeing through my little game you cannot even see with your eyes. Not one of you have even been a challenge to me, it becoming rather tedious not having intelligent people to chat to, but as they say you have to use the cards you are dealt.

Debate me then MM ,,
You VS Me formal debate ATS and we will see who the pushover is.

CON, DENIAL, DENIAL,DENIAL, I have to be kind and say to you that you are really a silly old fool. I really love the way you try to say I am a liar when I have stated things that even your own president has said, eminent Americans and lay Americans alike. Yet you say its all lies. Well you have given it your best shot yet have come up wanting I'm affraid. You see you can never stiffle the voice of thruth. No matter how many times you tell yourself, no matter how many times you discuss it with your mates, it dose not change one thing.

Put your money where your mouth is then MM, accept my challenge in a formal Debate using inductive arguments for logical fallacy and critical thinking where each of us, meaning you and I and no one else, will have an opportunity to have our skills judged by our peers and ATS debate Moderators. They will know what evidence is and what it is not. They will know what facts are and what is just what you think is going to happen because,,, well because you're MM!

I really love the way you try to say I am a liar when I have stated things that even your own president has said, eminent Americans and lay Americans alike.

Jeeez another friggin strawman *sigh* MM, What the hell does other things you have said whether they were also said by the president or not, have to do with the lies I am talking about? Whether you have said things many other Americans have said or the president said or not.

You have also said and I quote" You own our asses and your country runs ours." Well MM, I'm calling you a liar! You couldn't own a blow up doll much less the United States of America. Lie Number 2 (and this doesn't include the multitude you have said all through this thread.) That "your country runs ours" That is lie! and it is also one I had asked you to prove several times and you have not. IDX had asked you to show him that quote you have of me saying "I support killing innocent children" and you just gave more quotes with more mis-interpretations and mis-representation. You were clear cut busted and convicted and everyone here knows it.

You are so arrogant that is you don't like the reflection you see in the mirror, you'll blame the damn mirror! So don't tell me "I try to call you are liar mm, when, that is EXACTLY what you are. a LIAR!


You have been so dishonest to so many in this thread, that the only way you can win your arguments, is to get people so disgusted with you they, they just give up trying to teach you what you refuse to accept and FACTS are what you refuse to accept.

I have the facts,

YOU DON'T!

You want to say such utterly ridiculous statemnets like "you owning us", then I am calling your bluff MM.

I am not "suggesting" you are a liar, I am ACCUSING YOU of being a LIAR and I will continue to call you a liar till all the lies we have caught you saying, can be show otherwise and Ill even wager you can't do that either because we are correct about everyone of them but you can start with my quote and the proof the UK runs our country.

C'mon MM show me we are run b the UK

that YOU ARE A LIAR and that is undeniable and I would like nothing more than to get you in a real debate and show you just how much of a challenge you are NOT.

If you think you are all that then PROVE IT

Lets see how good you really are.

- Con






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You can knock off the name calling MM, it`s not needed, or wanted in these forums. And now, a question for you. Have any of your fellow countrymen fought along side the Americans in the last twenty years over in Afghanistan or Iraq?

I find that interesting MM, you own, and are running my counrty? So, does that make your country the blame for a great deal of this then?

A game MM, yes it is on your part, and why do I come to that thought? I figured it out earlier in this discussion, then you set it in stone when you stated that you own and run us. If you do, then that makes your country just as much to blame as ours. It`s called the blame game, keep the focus of attention on the US and not your own country. I haven`t seen Con or many others who have posted here from America, say that were not part of the blame, when in fact yes, we have done things that are not right, we don`t deny it, not at all. But one thing you need to get straight right now, leave us to clean up our own mess with this war and our government, stay out of it. And if you want to keep pointing a finger, turn it around and point it at your own country, not ours.

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