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Originally posted by Sleuth
While in the lawful pursuit of their duties, she is obliged not to obstruct their investigation.
As long as the police ask no accusatory questions and she is not under arrest, she does not have to be Mirandized and, therefore, has no right to an attorney.
No one really expects a parent to rat out their kid.
As for giving up and trying another day, you are saying the police should be negligent in their duties. They had a warrant and with that warrant comes a responsibility, particularly once service of the warrant is in motion.
The police cannot just say, "Oh, I don't feel like serving this warrant anymore because this woman is crabby. Let's get coffee and come back later." That gives Mom, et al, time to regroup and plan and further obstruct justice. Junior can get the heck out of Dodge; evidence can be moved or destroyed.
They do. The problem is that citizens often do not understand the laws which they are subject to and, consequently, emotions run out ahead of logic on the track to resolution.
The police are responsible for enforcing the law. They spend a lot of time in classrooms with their noses stuck in statute books so that they interpret and apply it properly on the street. Then citizens, with a basic TV or high school understanding of law, second-guess their every move. It's not an easy job to be pummeled from all sides.
The public should educate itself about the laws that apply to it. Life would be a whole lot easier for everyone if it did. No one ever seems to think about that though.
Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by Sleuth
You neglected to answer my question. Is there a video that clearly shows that the woman was the one that initiated the violence ? Because if there isn't i don't see how the average citizen is supposed to believe that she did, being that all we seem to see lately is the use of excessive force by the police.
Originally posted by Badge01
Now many LEOs, even good ones will say that lying, bluffing and distorting are important tools and it's how they make many arrests.
BUT they are tools for dealing with PREDATORS not tools for dealing with the normal lawful CITIZEN.
This is where, imo, the BIG problem comes up.
The LEO stops a law abiding citizen who never had a ticket and uses techniques that he learns for dealing with hardened criminals and dangerous felons and somehow begins to think this is OK.
Thus people get stopped, dragged out of their cars and thrown to the ground and tazed then he realizes that this car, which fits the description of the car that just did a bank robbery is not the criminal. So he jumps in his car, leaving a mess at the roadside, and speeds off on his higher purpose, to put this predator in jail, protecting society. But he forgets he just acted like a predator himself, and damaged society and made a mockery of his credo.
He gets a call that a dangerous drug user is at an address and he calls in SWAT and they bust down the door and shoot and taze the occupant, only to discover the house is the one across the street, or on the other side of town. They leave the law-abiding homeowner with a door smashed open, people bleeding and dying who never did a bad deed in their lives and BY LAW the cops have no obligation to make it right, to apologize or to compensate these nice folks whom they just screwed by MISTAKE. Here again the LEO became the predator he claims to hate. LEOs need to start asking themselves this question frequently. "Am I being a predator here and if so can I stop it and can I make things right". LEOs don't be afraid to say you made a mistake and have some compassion and fix the mistakes and make things right and learn a lesson. Not all street lessons are about perps. Some street lessons are about being a force for the good and a citizen advocate and protector. (duh).