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reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 07:49 PM by tezzajw

Originally posted by TheRedneck
But it does demonstrate the absurdity of your statement.

christians have chosen their path. They have no business in interfering with other people and how they choose to live their lives.

I'm sick and tired of christians walking up my driveway to try and save my soul.

I've never had one gay person walk up my drive trying to convince me to bat for the same team.

See the difference?

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 07:59 PM by Quazga

reply to post by camain

Look, the outfest had a permit, the protesters did not, therefore the protesters had no right. The permit is the legal form of saying "this city permits you to do whatever"

anyone protesting without a permit are then infringing on the rights of the outfest

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:01 PM by devilsdetails

Originally posted by Being_From_Earth

However I would support the Christians in some way in telling the gays to shut up and go away and be gay elsewhere, because im sick of having to see there gayness.

[edit on 19/7/08 by Being_From_Earth]

sick of seeing my gayness? my partner and i going to the grocery store together, walking our dog in the park, going to a movie and maybe sharing popcorn... that is offensive. i think that straight people should stop that behavior as well!
but seriously--
i just don't understand why this has to be a discussion in this day and age. God's 2nd greatest gift to human-kind is free will. can't we just allow individual happiness if no one else is being harmed?

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:19 PM by re22666

Originally posted by devilsdetails

Originally posted by Being_From_Earth

However I would support the Christians in some way in telling the gays to shut up and go away and be gay elsewhere, because im sick of having to see there gayness.

[edit on 19/7/08 by Being_From_Earth]

sick of seeing my gayness? my partner and i going to the grocery store together, walking our dog in the park, going to a movie and maybe sharing popcorn... that is offensive. i think that straight people should stop that behavior as well!
but seriously--
i just don't understand why this has to be a discussion in this day and age. God's 2nd greatest gift to human-kind is free will. can't we just allow individual happiness if no one else is being harmed?

look, i hate to say this but i have to agree just a little with the first guy. the gay pride parade around here does nothing but bring out the most perverse in every homosexual in the city (no not ALL that is an exaggeration.) it is a day of people running around dressed in a manner not fit for public any day,for any reason, performing mock sex acts and wearing slogans and holdings signs about their particular sexlife. be gay all you want, even makeout at a ball game or whatever. but i love oral sex, should i get together for a day with others like me and make sure to walk down crowded public streets ensuring the populace at large is witness to my love for the taste of labia?

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:22 PM by re22666

reply to post by devilsdetails

on the other hand, i would rather be forced to sit in the "blue oyster club" from police academy for a full day than have christians or any other religious zealots come and tell me why i am wrong, what it is gonna do to me, and how i need to be from now on. i dont think gay people should ever where their sexuality on their sleeve any more than straight people should (and they do.) but i find that more tollerable than people who think their religion needs to be yours and you are going to submit or be damned and they will see to it even though the very book they are crying from tells them it is NOT their job but to shut up and love everyone and let god deal with that but hey. that is just me.

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:24 PM by TheRedneck

reply to post by tezzajw
Hmmm, here's a wild and crazy idea:

Instead of stating that Christians as a group should never interact with anyone else, why not simply put a sign in your driveway that says "No Christians"? Or maybe just "No Trespassing"? It is your driveway, is it not?

Oh, wait, that would require you to respect the beliefs of others. My bad, we'll just pass a law.

TheRedneck

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:30 PM by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
reply to post by EverythingYouDespise

Christian rights = the rights to prevent strangers from doing with each other whatever they want.

This couldn't be farther from the truth, though it is a common misconception the evil one has planted in the minds of the lost to keep them astray.

True Christians want others to be aware of the consequences of making bad choices, and to offer another way, The Way, to true fulfillment.

Does that mean they'll finally stay out of the courts, the bedroom and the FDA?

Get out of "The Way" and figure out it's "a Way" to true fullfillment. Poking your nose in everyone's business is a sure way to stunt true spiritual growth.

Nevertheless, bless you fellow human.

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:31 PM by tezzajw

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Instead of stating that Christians as a group should never interact with anyone else, why not simply put a sign in your driveway that says "No Christians"? Or maybe just "No Trespassing"? It is your driveway, is it not?

Yeah and I'm sure that sign will work just as well as the No Junk Mail sign on the letter box does.

So what sign should I wear when I walk around the city and I am approached by christians who want to talk to me about my faith? The latest incident was at the steps of a train station.

Again, I've never been approached by a homo or bi, wanting to discuss which way I swing. Now that may be a little sad, as I can imagine there's at least some benefits in speaking to two bi females - far more benefits than speaking to preaching christians!

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:33 PM by re22666

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by tezzajw
Hmmm, here's a wild and crazy idea:

Instead of stating that Christians as a group should never interact with anyone else, why not simply put a sign in your driveway that says "No Christians"? Or maybe just "No Trespassing"? It is your driveway, is it not?

Oh, wait, that would require you to respect the beliefs of others. My bad, we'll just pass a law.

TheRedneck

im not sure where this started or who exactly said what but it would be nice if you could just ignore christians in this country. there are so many differing religions in the US but the christians are the only ones who routinely lobby and boycott and just basically underminel, the government and the public marketplace soooo. they are kinda hard to just ignore.

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:43 PM by TheRedneck

reply to post by tezzajw

Yeah and I'm sure that sign will work just as well as the No Junk Mail sign on the letter box does.

Last time I checked, letters can't read, and the mailman doesn't know (or care) what he's dropping in, as long as it is addressed to you.

So what sign should I wear when I walk around the city and I am approached by christians who want to talk to me about my faith? The latest incident was at the steps of a train station.

How about the same thing I do when I'm approached by a lot lizard (prostitute in a truck stop)? I say "no". I know, it's a crazy thing, but it actually seems to work.

Face it, you live in a world full of other people. You are not the only one here. Read my signature; I think it says it all. "If one of us is chained, none of us are free." Keep throwing those chains around, and they'll wind up wrapping around your own neck. In some countries right now, you could be beheaded for your remarks here. I thank God every day that we both live where we can speak our mind. Please don't destroy that.

Again, I've never been approached by a homo or bi, wanting to discuss which way I swing. Now that may be a little sad, as I can imagine there's at least some benefits in speaking to two bi females - far more benefits than speaking to preaching christians!

I have. No comment on what happened.

TheRedneck

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:51 PM by tezzajw

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Last time I checked, letters can't read, and the mailman doesn't know (or care) what he's dropping in, as long as it is addressed to you.

You don't understand the concept of junk mail.

The postman is authorised to use my letterbox, as he's delivering 'official' mail to me.

Whereas junk mail is all of the advertising catalogs and pamphlets that are not delivered by the postman. These people ignore the clearly signed label on the letterbox that states NO JUNK MAIL.

While I would hope that a NO RELIGIOUS ZEALOT sign on my gate should work, I know that it wouldn't. There's always someone willing to save my soul. Stay the hell off my property. Maybe if I lived in Texas and I thought that they were theives... hmmm...

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 08:54 PM by TheRedneck

reply to post by re22666

im not sure where this started or who exactly said what but it would be nice if you could just ignore christians in this country. there are so many differing religions in the US but the christians are the only ones who routinely lobby and boycott and just basically underminel, the government and the public marketplace soooo. they are kinda hard to just ignore.

This may come as a shock, but even Christians are plagued by the very thing you mention. After all, there's no cross in my front yard, so anyone going door-to-door has no idea who lives here. And I will admit it is sorta frustrating when they stop by at a bad time.

The difference is, I can take the time to look at them and say "Sorry, I'm busy". If they persist, I can say "Go away! I'm busy!" Yeah, it would be nice if they hadn't showed up at all, but take a look at what that entails.

Firstly, someone will have to decide which denominations are to be denied the right to walk up a driveway or talk to others. Now, depending on who's in office, that could extend to any group. Secondly, we have to get rid of that First Amendment thing. Since I highly doubt we can get an amendment to cover that, we would have to simply dissolve the Constitution. That means you no longer have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to own a gun, freedom to petition the government, etc., unless the government allows you to. Do you really want that?

Also, please remember that, even though I claim to be a Christian, there is no central group that organizes this. These are individual people that I don't even know, so when you attack me because of something someone else has done, you are wasting your time and energy and making yourself look like a fool. Why not demand your neighbor release the UFO files from the US Military? that makes about as much sense.

TheRedneck

P.S. I really hate those guys who put flyers on my windshield in the parking lots. Can we discriminate against them too?

Edited to get my amendments right.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by TheRedneck]

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 09:00 PM by TheRedneck

reply to post by tezzajw

Whereas junk mail is all of the advertising catalogs and pamphlets that are not delivered by the postman. These people ignore the clearly signed label on the letterbox that states NO JUNK MAIL.

Whoops, was about to say that is illegal in the US, then I saw your location. I think maybe it should be illegal down under as well?

I really wouldn't move to Texas with your attitude. People over here take great offense at others wanting to infringe on their rights. Example: how do you say "go to hell" in Texan? BANG!

TheRedneck

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 09:26 PM by donwhite

reply to post by tezzajw

I'm sick and tired of christians walking up my driveway to try and save my soul. I've never had one gay person walk up my drive trying to convince me to bat for the same team.

I like this prayer from Voltaire in his Candide: "Oh God, if there be One, Save my soul, if I have one."

Candide, ou l'Optimisme (1759) is a French satire by the Enlightenment philosopher Voltaire, the title of which has been translated into English as Candide: Or, All for the Best (1759);

[edit on 7/20/2008 by donwhite]

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 09:33 PM by ofhumandescent

As long as two consenting adults want to be together and they are not bothering anyone else it's their business and no one else’s.

Sex should be a private discreet matter between two consenting adults period.

It's just a matter of courtesy that when one is out in public to try and “get along” and not make everyone around you uncomfortable by being overtly sexual, which is rude. But being rude is fashionable now days, everyone thinks it’s cute to be crude and rude. It’s really just childish and immature.

People need to really try to stop judging others and take care of their own business.

When anyone tries to convert someone over to their way of thinking, it’s a bit of a power struggle – I want you to believe the way I do thing. It’s not really about “It’s the right way”,it might not be the right way for that person.

If people concentrated on their own shortcomings and less on their neighbors we would all be a lot happier.

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 09:42 PM by Maxmars

The law is not about Christians vs. Gays (do you capitalize that?).

It is very straightforward. Example:

I hold a legal gathering,

another group arrives and disrupts that legally arranged gathering.

Not legally cool. Public gatherings are not battlegrounds, they are events arranged for a legal gathering.

End example.

What the Christians did was predatory and confrontational.

Legally - not cool.

There is NO other argument. The acceptance or rejection of one side other's' position on the matter has NO legal relevance.

Activists should understand these things BEFORE they engage in these kinds of tactics.

Of course, let's not discount the fact that they may well have known what they were doing was illegal, and exercised the option to attract public attention to the issue. In which case they are no better than political opportunists, and if I'm not mistaken, they need to examine their conscience to see if breaking the law is really the way to achieve their goals.

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 09:59 PM by ofhumandescent

reply to post by tezzajw

Very good post. I totally agree. I'm just so tired of certain groups preaching what we can and can't do with our bodies how we should think, who we should and should not fall in love with and what face my soul should wear.

Religion, sex and love are some very deeply significant and personal aspects of a person's life and I actually feel violated having some clown march up to my front door and try to "save me" in my own home space when I never invited them nor wish to get into a verbal lose / lose battle with them.

The quotes below are priceless:

"[The Bible is] a mass of fables and traditions, mere mythology."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Mark Twain and the Bible)

"Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion –- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Letters from the Earth)

When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion. Abraham Lincoln.

When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. Anais Nin

Why do we have to recycle the old conflict so many times: first we fight about slavery, then segregation, then gender, and now sexual orientation? Sexual identity is on the horizon. Why can't people look at the phrase 'liberty and justice for all' and simply accept that 'all' means 'all

[edit on 19-7-2008 by ofhumandescent]

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 10:30 PM by re22666

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by tezzajw

Very good post. I totally agree. I'm just so tired of certain groups preaching what we can and can't do with our bodies how we should think, who we should and should not fall in love with and what face my soul should wear.

When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion. Abraham Lincoln.

i think therein lies the problem. imagine if everyone were able to live by this code of doing good feeling good and dooing bad feeling bad. imagine if someone felt good when they did things like fed firecrackers to frogs and watched them explode; just to feel good. imagine if someone that felt good doing that was then left in charge of an entire country?
scares me.

reply posted on 19-7-2008 @ 10:50 PM by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by re22666
here is a little challenge

1. can anyone out there, anyone at all, provide any scientific evidence that even shows there is a good chance that homosexuality is a trait and not a choice?