Challenge Match: SpartanKingLeonidas vs Proto Fire Fox: It Really Is Just A Bird Flu?, page 1

Question 1

Do you understand to what extent a Government, any Government, would go to in order to control its citizens and to what extreme it is willing to go in order to maintain that control no matter what?

1) I do understand that the government is willing to do a lot to try to contain the public. I also know that they have held back in certain times, for example Operation Northwoods was devised in 1968 and its goal was for the US to make a terrorist attack on there country and blame it on Cuba so they could attack. This however was denied but the president. Is it too much to have a tiny bit of faith that some one in the government will do the write thing.

Fox, by your own admission there, you state that you believe that government is willing to do a lot, to contain the public, so this is a difference of our beliefs in that I believe government will do anything to maintain control, not just a lot in that some people within government of any country, not one specific one here, are willing to kill not only one individual, but many hundreds to thousands of their own citizens as well as other countries citizens, just to maintain population control through manipulative means, from sending soldiers off to war, to causing strife within their own nation and blame it on someone else’s nation, to the point of letting loose a plague to kill people off.

Question 2

To what level do you understand of your own Government, as well as other countries Government’s around the world, and where did you ascertain the level of understanding you arrived at currently?

2) My current understanding of government is mixed. When Above Politics was active i enjoyed reading the threads, but now i have to just scan through the web. My thoughts on government is that it is many corrupt people all out for them selves, but at the same time there are people there looking out for the little man.

Fox, again re-stating your words here, you have a mixed belief of government. I feel I have a complete understanding of government in that it is made up of people, people who have ideals and beliefs, which usually come in direct conflict with what their job it is to do through the fact that those politicians who make campaign promises to get elected find out or even knew in advance that they can never keep those campaign promises, either because they were paid via a lobbyist, in a sense here within America a legal bribe by a corporation or group of individuals who have an agenda, so there is in essence an agenda followed up by another agenda, thereby negating any responsibility the politician had to the people they are supposed to protect and serve to begin with.

This is of course just the aspect of a politician, who for the majority of anyone who follows politics knows they will lie, cheat, and steal their way to the top, let alone sell their own mothers soul just to get into office, into a position of power where they know they can get to larger sources of monetary gain through an understanding that the higher you go, the higher the payoff or bribes will be. I have little to no faith whatsoever in politicians at all because they are humans just like you and I as well as our other ATS’ers who we talk to on a daily basis through posting here on this conspiracy theory website, the difference there though stops once those people begin an upward climb into the political ladder and battlefield of finger-pointing, backstabbing, and conniving in that humans who seek power end up having an agenda, power seeking to begin with, or who had the best of intentions to begin with but get lost along the way, so as to not be where who they were when they started out in politics and or Law Enforcement.

I have many friends and co-workers who keep stating I should go into politics and or Law Enforcement, as I stated in the opening post, and I usually end up joking with them about not liking me very much, but it does truly bother the ever-loving crap out of me that this is meant in the best way possible from these people who care about me and knowing the strong convictions I have about all things government as well as Law Enforcement and espionage in that I absolutely despise what I might end up becoming because of this belief system because I am not someone who attacks first, but when I perceive an attack from someone, I will go to no ends and never stop once I perceive an attack and go to any extreme to make certain I destroy that opponent.

The Art of War is so inundated in who I am, and while I maintain practicing the Art of Peace, to know peace one must always prepare for war. Something I am always prepared for at any moment because I have been physically attacked, psychologically attacked, had my credibility attacked, to having had character assassination carried out by devious people in my past. Hell, at one of the jobs I currently still work, I went through six years of character assassination from one woman who hated my guts so much as she tried to turn every co-worker against me, and she ended up quitting before she got fired due to my knowledge over here in the Art of War. If I know I’m capable of this I know anyone within government, Law Enforcement, or espionage are willing to do just this as well as go to the extreme of killing people, and I was only trying to maintain keeping my job as well as rise to the top as the alpha-male within the job, something I still maintain after almost fifteen years there, so I can understand fully well the ability of anyone within a position of actual power.

Question 3

Are you pro-Government, anti-Government, or somewhere inbetween?

3)I'm some where in between, it think its a great idea which has went wrong. I think many people would agree here when i say that some people need to be sacked, but others need to be aloud to have more say in matters.

I can respect what you have to say here Fox, in that I am somewhere inbetween as well, being I am pro-government and anti-government, in that I believe government is supposed to protect the interests of the people who put them within power to begin with, but they almost always end up going off to the extreme left-wing or extreme right-wing in their beliefs let alone the people they end up making alliances with within government, and then the enemies they make within government as well as the political battles they fight sometimes just to maintain their position as evidenced by events like the JFK assassination where supposedly some lone nutcase was the cause of a Presidential assassination when it more than likely was a political coupe caused by various factions within the United States own government, which ended up destroying our countries faith in its own government itself.

Question 4

Have you or anyone within your direct and or indirect family ever served within the military and or Government, and how has that person had an influence upon your perspective on global politics?

4)My grand father was in the army, but except him i have zero family history in army and politics. Everything i learned has been self taught.

I have a father who was in the Air Force, someone I’ve never talked to, step-father who brought me up who was in the Marines, an uncle who was in the Navy, and a brother who is in the Marines currently, but to each individual it has affected them differently in how they became the men they are today, in that there are policies, procedures, and protocols they had to follow or are currently following that I am certain came in direct conflict with their beliefs because knowing who they are today has directly influenced who I am because of our interactions not through them telling me anything specific about their jobs, but in how I see their personalities have changed over the years as well as the interactions they have or have not had with me because of the stresses of serving within systems within which they had to work within being the government they served within as well as the “politics” of the military organization they were within as well.

Question 5

Are you an “in the box”, “out of the box”, or “destroy the box and start over” thinker?

5)Well now, if by the box you mean some level or normality or as a term i now you like to use, sheeple, then i belive that i am outside the box looking inwards. On a web site like this i think we are all above many others as we want to learn the real truth.

Well to be fair here with you, when I asked about this question, I meant “in the box” as a direct one way thinker, “out of the box” as thinking outside of normal parameters of thinking, and “destroy the box and start over” as someone who knows how to smash their own beliefs through preconceived notions, and in an essence you hit the nail on the head of my definition as well as most people within ATS and their thinking of the term of “sheeple” in that people who follow blindly are often lead astray by people with agendas.

North Korea is a country within the Asian sphere of the Eastern hemisphere with a Communist government, where the citizens risk arrest, long term imprisonment, permanent deportation, ultimately tens of thousands of its citizens flee into China, another Communist nation to escape the devastating famine, economy, and political oppressiveness of a ruthless dictator like Kim Jong Il only to dive headlong into an opposing country like China because of the idiotic behaviors of their dictator, this being a perfect breeding ground literally and figuratively for the flow of “avian flu” to be transported across national boundaries because as well know people who travels and diseases are often unseen due to symptoms not all being seen or often attributed to travel length and hardships in a regular travel sense let alone one where someone is fleeing the country in secrecy.