Why do we doubt the Ancients?

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I saw that program too. The author believes the Nazis were working on technology to use electricity/gravity to run aircraft. He states the "Foo Fighters" were such German aircraft. When the Nazi scientists were secretly transported to the USA (to avoid war crimes trials), they continued their research. The Roswell and Zamora cases were possibly secret military aircraft and not alien aircraft. He gathers a lot of evidence and it makes a lot of sense as to why the military kept Roswell a secret. (The alien part of Roswell didn't start until the 1970s).

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You do realize they found flush toilets in ancient Minos? The ancients were a lot smarter and more civilized than most of the posters here give them credit. Many of the ancients did believe the world was round. There was a lot more human ingenuity than most people give. It wasn't aliens or Annunaki that did all the work, it was the human empowerment.
Every time an archeologist makes some kind of discovery that goes against the alien theories, they are immediately thought of working for the Illuminati.

Originally posted by kidflash2008
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You do realize they found flush toilets in ancient Minos? The ancients were a lot smarter and more civilized than most of the posters here give them credit. Many of the ancients did believe the world was round. There was a lot more human ingenuity than most people give. It wasn't aliens or Annunaki that did all the work, it was the human empowerment.
Every time an archeologist makes some kind of discovery that goes against the alien theories, they are immediately thought of working for the Illuminati.

Thanks for adding to this discussion and understanding. A lot of us do not give ancients any credits and if they have depictions of being visited by extraterrestrials then I believe they had such great knowledge of the universe and technology because most hypothesize extraterrestrials only make contact with advanced civilizations.

Originally posted by beforetime
1 thing make's me doubt......

they was so dumb they wiped there butt's with leaf's..

they supposedly had all this knowledge...lol and couldn't make indoor pluming or toilet paper.

think about it

I bet they were smart enough to put together a proper sentence.

The IQ of some posters...wow.

How do you expect them to make paper efficiently first of all, yet alone for it to be efficient for someone to knit together miles of toilet paper?

You sound like a grade 2 drop out.

jeepers...so much is obvious...wtihout access to a store do you think we would be using toilet paper? No we would be using leaves to wipe our butts. Our civilization is so fragile and based on unbilical cords that we could be reduced to the stone age very easily. without the pipeline we have no water, natural gas or oil, without the electrical line we have no power and no way to make the furnace fan work, fridge, freezer etc. without gasoline we have no car....the ancients were in many ways more advanced then we are now and if there civ was advanced and then access to resources stopped then they would be wiping their butts with leaves, using bows and arrows and spears etc. there is a lot of different evidence throught history that show advanced civilizations so why is it so difficult to believe that something caused them to revert back to simple tools when such a fate could easily befall us. How many of us have been out camping and either forgot to bring toilet paper or ran out of it. they were not only advanced races but i am sure that there were cave man tribes as well. who knows but i agree that a lot of our advancements are not our own but found technology or stolen technology.

the stuff that gets me the most is when for years our forefathers have told us that carrots are good for the eyes yet it takes till the late 1900's and a million dollar study to concude that carrots are good for the eyes...all the herbal medicines that had been used since the indians woudl say "since the begining" to treat people for sickness that modern day pharmacutical have "sinthsized" into a pill and we call it modern medicine....

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They actually want to put a ban on herbal meds so that the only way to get medical drugs is through government owned Food & Drug Administration.

It part of the Illuminati world control, I think they put other stuff in the drugs.
I know a couple friends that were using herbal drugs for something and later switched to the chemically made drugs made by the big drug companys and they got serious mental problems they randomly go nuts.

bill C-51 in canada is what they are trying to pass here. same idea, pull the herbal medicines and make us dependant on phamacutical drugs... this has been bothering me for some time...I am a medicne man and i know what you mean. many times i have locked horns with doctors about treatment but then its like a wise man once said...forgive them father...the know not what they do. Doctors consider herbal as primitive as that is what they are taught to believe....its worrysome and i pray such a bill does not pass for it will mean the end of our rights

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You are going to tell we can build something as colossal as the pyramids using the technology available thousands of years ago? what about the huge pieces of stone carved so precisely that not even a needle head can be inserted in between their junctions? Even the layouts of some cities in the inca's empire have more functionality than some big metropolis showing an advanced use of space and water distribution that works even to this date. I'm not trying to discourage our advancements but there's a lot more than meets the eye in ancient cultures that show a high grade of advancement and knowledge and I just think that we should show more respect to those cultures because the information we gathered until now is just the tip of the iceberg or at least the information available to the public.

I love archaeology, and I do agree that ancient civilizations did some rather clever stuff that many people don't realize. As far as technology being widespread, I doubt it. The only technology that they would have had was either whatever they were able to create themselves, or what, if anyone buys that, aliens or more advanced civilizations visiting, gave them. I doubt there were computers per se. If they were "given" some technology, I doubt it was widespread. I am not thinking that happened at all, to be honest. But if it did, I don't think aliens gave out lots of techonology to the people of our planet. Also doesn't make sense. Why get that involved in our past, and now have a policy of non-interaction for all intents and purposes?

They didn't have power, plastics, factories, or any way at all to create all the modern items we have today. There was no processes to make stuff. Everything was primarly wood and stone.

Also keep in mind that even the Egyptians, with all their cleverness, still thought a giant dung beetle god was pushing the sun along the sky. There is a lot of myth, religion, and ritual involved in a rather lot of what drove those civilizations. So you can't simply discount that angle. Much of what we may think is technological, may have been nothing of the sort.

Some of our ancestors were pretty smart. Geniuses, in fact. As a species, we haven't necessarily gotten any smarter over the last 40,000 years. More of us are just better educated. But I suspect that the percentages of super geniuses in the human population has remained roughly the same.

So every once in a while you get a guy show up like Imhotep, who was just a mind-blowingly smart guy. He comes up with some cutting-edge mathematics and science (for the time) and maybe contributes that to the culture. Sometimes the king or pharaoh finds and uses these people, sometimes not. They produce a few mechanical curiosities, or help write up a system of government or law. Some are awesome genius storytellers, who come up with all kinds of fantastic, entertaining fiction.

But because the society in general isn't developed enough to mass-produce their stuff, it fades away into obscurity, maybe to be found later, maybe not. Some of the most entertaining fiction is kept around in a decayed form, or morphs into other myths and stories.

Either way, it's not that ancient folks actually made widespread use of any of these interesting technological toys, such that they were really flying around shooting ray guns at each other. There's no good proof of that.

It's a mistake to think that it was more than just the work of an occasional genius, or that somehow they were granted all this stuff by aliens. The impressive work of our ancestors is just about what you would expect them to be able to produce, no more, no less, if you give them adequate credit for being as smart as they (or at least a few of them) actually were.

[edit on 18-7-2008 by Nohup]

Ok boys and girls, Ladies and Gentlemen the real reason we ignore the ancients wisdom is two fold.

1. We lost most of the knowledge because the civilization that had the knowledge collapsed and the knowledge was forgotten.

2. Hubris - exaggerated pride or self-confidence.
This basically mean that if something does not fit the accepted theory's then
it is ignored and the people who found the something are attacked professionally.

The Sphinx does not have water erosion! -Zahi Hawas
But yet the Sphinx does have water erosion.

The Vikings nor did the Chinese discover America.
Yet there are stone houses the only the Vikings could have built eastern Canada and Greenland. Stone anchors of the type used even to this day
by Chinese junks are found of the west coast of North America.

Theory's are meant to be torn down and then rebuilt in the light of new evidence but are they no they are cast in concrete and woe to any one
who dares to challenge the theory!

My to cents
Wing-Nut

Originally posted by Wing-nut
Theory's are meant to be torn down and then rebuilt in the light of new evidence but are they no they are cast in concrete and woe to any one who dares to challenge the theory!

If it's good evidence, it gets looked at. And if the evidence is good enough, the scientific community is more than happy to revise their views. For example, people used to think the whole notion of continental drift was nonsense. But other people got the evidence together, presented it, it was reviewed, and after a while the idea was accepted. What happened to the conspiracy to suppress the truth there?

I suggest that the "conspiracy" against new theories is not all that strong when it is presented with good, solid evidence. All anybody has to do to prove their theories is come up with good enough evidence.

I'm sorry, but ancient people do not deserve too much credit. Many of the posters on here are giving them way too much credit. They were technologically and intellectually inferior to us. The only reason they created pyramids and other major structures is because they had thousands of slaves who were forced to work all day every day. All they had were a number of stupid slaves/workers who could cut rock slabs and build large structures if you gave them simple enough instructions. That doesn't deserve any credit in my book.

Originally posted by Nohup
I suggest that the "conspiracy" against new theories is not all that strong when it is presented with good, solid evidence. All anybody has to do to prove their theories is come up with good enough evidence.

Yes this is the way it is supposed to work!
But some scientists who have real power in the world have a vested interest in protecting the status quo.

There is so much that has been found and just ignored because it does not
fit with the excepted theory.

I have personally have seen some of this working as an engineer
your not allowed to think out side of the box if you do your in trouble.

Wing-Nut

I completely agree we need to assess information in unbiased ways, not looking for credit or validity to ones theories

"Why do we doubt the Ancients?"

because we have to think of ourselves as bigger and better.

an ancient civilsation smarter than us is to much for people to accept.
we are suppose to get more inteligent not dumber.

hence most will discard the evidence or cover their ears inorder to keep
their more comforting view.

building structures we cannot do today with sticks and stones and slaves all over the world? of course they did, that way we can call ourselves more civilised.

but without getting in a time machine and going back to look, who would actually know for sure? its all guess work and people take it as fact.

i'd say their written records are more truthful than some man looking at a piece of bone or pottery and then trying to guess based on the principle i already mentioned.... " we have to think of ourselves as bigger and better."

also someone mention they could'nt of been advanced because they wiped their arse on leaves. i don't think they actually thought about what they were saying.

how would we even know that? we would'nt its a guess. also is living with nature now considered less advanced?

look at the mess we are in. i bet we would have more trees if we wiped our arses on leaves.

also a long shot:

con-sumer-ism, is their clues in the words we use? as to were that thing actually originated from or was first used?

for example sum or summerise etc etc.

worth looking at. sum-mer, sum-mar, sumer. that type of thing.

see what you come up with.

Why should we doubt the Ancients? Because Socrates told us so.

Great post

I agree with most of the posters. Ancient man was as advanced and in some respects more than we are now. He created wonderful art and architecture without the aid of modern equipment which he did not need. Some of it still to this day we cannot recreate. Then as now only the elite upper crust had access to full knowledge although they had some technical items it was only for those in “the know”.

Mankinds advancement has not been a straight line like we have been taught in schools. I think Mans advancements came in waves. Sometimes we rose and advanced quickly and other times very slowly then our knowledge fell only to have some items in science, technology, mathematics and medicine etc get “rediscovered “ by the next civilization, Who in turn claim that they were the first.

I believe this has happened a few times since man first started walking upright. If we were created by a God or a genetic experiment from little green guys from space or simply we evolved bigger brains than our ape cousins does not really matter! What does matter is that humans are ancient beings with very short memories. I read and hear some of the conclusions that main stream science comes up with and it makes since while other items it’s like Dude! What are you thinking?

I think ancient man probably had some advanced tech and the average Joe did not really care, he was closer to being at one with the earth than modern man and had most of his needs met so he did not need a freakin Ipod! Or cable television etc. I think back then the powers that be may have used their advanced knowledge to do several things

A. Control the masses
B. Helped maintain their civilianization through food production and medicine
C. Then as now fight wars.
D. Create works projects IE build temples pyramids ETC

Then as now the elite will keep that knowledge out of the hands of the working peasant, we all know knowledge is power. That could be one of the reasons it’s so hard to find much evidence. Because only the elite had access to it. I wonder what really was in the Arc of the covenant. What was really inside the pyramid at Giza when they sealed it up way back then? Why build an almost exact copy right next to it without putting in a tomb, if that was what is was for. If the second one is nearly identical to the first that means that there still may be a hidden inner working we just not have as of yet found, now talk about a mystery there boy!
I would go on but work calls

SLAY







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Originally posted by unbelievable
I'm sorry, but ancient people do not deserve too much credit. Many of the posters on here are giving them way too much credit. They were technologically and intellectually inferior to us. The only reason they created pyramids and other major structures is because they had thousands of slaves who were forced to work all day every day. All they had were a number of stupid slaves/workers who could cut rock slabs and build large structures if you gave them simple enough instructions. That doesn't deserve any credit in my book.

Totally inaccurate : www.nationalgeographic.com...

www.bbc.co.uk...

OH Burn!

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