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Originally posted by applebiter
The picture you paint of England is a pretty dismal one, 'ninja. Can it really be so bad?
Have you ever taken a martial arts course? The reason I ask is because, for some, physical aggression seems much worse than it actually is. In a dojo or kwoon you can learn some confidence-building skills, and if it is a good school, you will have a chance to spar with others. You don't have to be Bruce Lee (or Jet Li, if you're young) to do it, because there is a trust bond between you and your partners.
Originally posted by cleggy88
reply to post by TruthTellist
Don't you find it quite a sad way for a society to be? Coming from the UK I can't quite comprehend it myself. I know when I walk down the street I won't attack anyone so I have a trust in other people that they won't do the same. I would rather live in a society where we all carry no weapons and no-one attacks any one else, rather than a society where anyone or everyone could be carrying a weapon.
Originally posted by applebiter
Maybe you think that everyone in America moves around wondering if the next guy is packing heat. That's not at all the case. I don't know about the UK, but in America we tend to just be comfortable in social situations. A smile goes a long way. I rather think that Americans are less concerned about these things than are you.
Wouldn't we all rather be in a society where no one attacks anyone? This is a matter of sociology/psychology rather than an issue about implements of destruction. It appears to me that you Brits have allowed these issues to be conflated such that no critical thinking can penetrate the real issue. You are the second person from the UK in this thread alone to display an eager willingness to abdicate your responsibility at the expense of your liberty. This is abhorrent, and it will not end well, I assure you.
[edit on 20-7-2008 by applebiter]
Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by cleggy88
Here is a Hypothetical for you:
So there is a person walking in at night. He is carrying a knife in his pocket, it is not visible. He is stopped by the police. They want to know where he is going, where he is coming from and does he have anything illegal.
This Person has:
1)Right to Remain silent-
2)Right to be free from unlawful search and secure
3)Freedom to be secure in his person
4)The"Right" To empty his pockets, show his papers and account for his actions - but oh! he has knife. He can send himself to jail, saving the judiciary time and money.
But is this man a criminal?
-What would you do?
I seriously don't see how the policy you are suggesting could be applied to a Western society without subverting the constitution and the rights of the people. "Stop and Account" and "Right to Remain Silent" cannot coexist. Any society where both are found is schizophrenic - as in there is a Schism between multiple mindsets that is having a detrimental effect on the whole.
We mustn't let this knife be used to further the fascist agenda.