Originally posted by SRTkid86
well you see, that isn't something you know, IF they were aliens they would be a totally different race from us, and would look at things totally different.

Also consider this story, from last month:

An icy, unknown world might lurk in the distant reaches of our solar system beyond the orbit of Pluto, according to a new computer model.

The hidden world -- thought to be much bigger than Pluto based on the model -- could explain unusual features of the Kuiper Belt, a region of space beyond Neptune littered with icy and rocky bodies. Its existence would satisfy the long-held hopes and hypotheses for a "Planet X" envisioned by scientists and sci-fi buffs alike.

According to the model, Sedna and other Kuiper Belt oddities could be explained by a world 30 to 70 percent as massive as Earth orbiting between 100 AU and 200 AU from the sun.

If this model is accurate, why isn't this theorized planet included? Even if it isn't accurate, we already know via observation that there are large Kuiper Belt objects, and it stands to reason that many of these will be larger than Pluto. Again, I ask why was Pluto given such a place of import?

Originally posted by SRTkid86
im not going to aruge this with you, you have proven to me in other threads you are closed minded...

You do realize I am the one asking questions, and you are the one just accepting. You might want to look up the definition of closed-minded. It isn't "anyone that disagrees with you."

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
It may be just to show us a specific point in time. And Eris is that far away the paddock probably wasn't big enough to put it there.

I had considered that, but the crop-circle glyph is not to scale. They could have just as easily included it.

What a load of BS.

Tell me why do all the crop circles happen in the same places over and over?

Because - they are close to where the people live who make them.

Oh - but there is radiation 8 inches down or whatever how can a man do that?

Anyone with access to a medical facility can get a hold of radio active products and taint the area all the same because the product he's using has the same effect if he drops it in front of him or five feet away - duh? Besides who's taking the measurements, maybe they're lying as well.

Just wondering who the Aliens are who plant all those crops - cause we never see who does it. Maybe the Aliens are feeding us the wrong stuff to keep us stupid. I think there's Aliens who stock my store shelves too, cause everyday I go back and the stuff is just there - Gots to be Aliens cause humans are too lazy to do that.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by Pinktip
Can someone please show me a video of a "local yocal" making a crop circle? and one at the advanced level?

First, you don't know if this crop circle is of "advance level." Second, the book Crop Circles: Signs of Contacts found that 80% of crop-circles are, undeniably made by human hands. So, that leaves just a 1/5 chance this particular crop circle wasn't...or just that the people behind it didn't leave tell-tale signs.

You know what..an advanced space faring civilization capable of traversing the vast distances of inter stellar space comes across a planet with sentient inhabitants and does what? Picks up a few animals and experiments..maybe a few people and then leaves GRAFFITI in a food crop.
Does that strike anyone else as lame?
Are we considered so backwards and dangerous that direct contact is deemed too risky?
Who ever THEY are we know that they are peaceful because if they were not we would not be here or able to mount an effective defense against them.
Perhaps they are so long lived that they are simply waiting for us to destroy ourselves..(the Malmstrom missile shut down proves otherwise) If they were in a real hurry then they would give us the tools we need to get the job done expeditiously.
Alien's Humans Morons, the whole crop circle thing is stupid..and worthless..it tells us nothing..provokes endless speculation and in general adds nothing of value...OOOOOhh pretty picture..Geometric images that decay without changing anything IS THAT the message?
If they wont come down willingly then SHOOT THEM DOWN and let all the abductees take turns kicking their behinds, I mean fair is fair..Grey skinned alien saucer flying wack jobs

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
why is pluto in your graphic in a different position ?????

Because that is precisely where Pluto was in 2003. Bearing in mind the only point of reference in this graphic is the shape of Pluto's orbit.

[edit on 17/7/08 by NuclearPaul]

Originally posted by Pinktip
If that's the case, then there shold be alot of videos of "human hands" making them...90% of the ones I've seen on the net IMHO were made by means not of this earth...

You're comparing ancedote and your opinion to a study.

And while the images you reference are stunning and beautiful, you have no evidence they were made by anyone other than humans....especially the "Hello Kitty" crop-circle.


[edit on 17-7-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Why have all prior crop circles failed to include Eris? It seems as soon as our understanding of science and astronomy advances, coincidentally so do these circles. Whats up with that?

Originally posted by antar
This one does appear to depict our solar system and how people came to the 2012 thing I do not really see.

There is no doubt that this is an image of our solar system, and it certainly shows the position of the planets around 21st December, 2012. That is something no one can argue with.

The real debate here is whether it's man-made or not.

Images done in Celestia. I only added the labels for Pluto and Eris (red orbit) that are not displayed by Celestia. The orbit of Pluto is not displayed either for whatever reason.

Earth is at the top position. Everything matches except Pluto, it is more to the right on the crop circle!!!

Imho, 99% of crop circles are fake. It was funny when folks flipped out over one with spheres and what not, because all the shapes were divisible by 6. Turns out when debunked on a show, the guys that made it said they used irrigation ditches.. which are 3 feet apart from each other.. as a guide. But folks were positive it held a higher meaning until then (and it's still pictured on many crop circle sites).

All the ones with designs are imo, man-made. The real ones? They are the very few out of the way, plain circular ones with odd readings, where ufos were sighted.