Hanslune,
I have been trying to find that translation of the dialogues, but have been unsucessful, so far.
I'll keep trying.

Ok,
For those who keep insisting that the native americans were atlantis,



The Olmecs although advanced in some areas, they were still 3000 years behind the mediteranian basin civilizations.
They did do some amazing things, the first written language in the new world. They invented the zero, as a place holder in the "long count calendar", before anyone else.
They passed on their spritual beliefs and patheon to several subsequent central american cultures.
Rubber
Here's what they didnt do.
They didnt have the wheel, they didnt use metals other than gold and silver, they didnt use draft animals and they didnt build any water craft more advanced than a dugout canoe.

Heres a good question...Why are Russian and American subs always in this area?I heard several reasons.But not the actual truth.

Howdy Sky

If there ever was a country in the atlantic that "sank" I find it more likely that we are talking about this plateau that used to be above water and is now below sea level - the azore islands only being the uppermost tip of a former mountaineous area. But the azores deserve more detailed archaeological research for a whole other reason: It would be these islands that would likely be a stopping point for any pre-middle-ages transatlantic contact.

I've been reading about the Mid-atlantic ridge which led me to the Azores. It is interesting there were no people or animals on those islands. One would have thought it would be crawling with them, based on all the concepts and ideas of trans-atlantic travel and Atlantis. Its an interesting puzzle - right where there should be clear signs - there is nothing.

There has been a great deal of exploration around the various sea mounts etc. You can find info on that in the material that reject the 1974? claims of the Soviets of finding Atlantis.

If you cannot find it let me know and I'll search thru my saved files and find it.

Not subs

Quote: da story....

On May 21, 1979 an interesting article was published in the New York Times. Soviet oceanographic expeditions to the Atlantic Ampere Seamount made some extraordinary discoveries of ruins, destroyed by lava, and also photographed them. The pictures (taken by Vladimir Marakuyev) and the findings were reported by the deputy Director of the Soviet Academy of Science's Institute of Oceanography, Professor Aksyonove. The pictures were taken in 1974, when the Russian research ship was exploring the ocean surface near the Horseshoe Archipelago, approximately 300 miles West of Gibraltar. On the Ampere Seamount, they found at a depth of around 200 feet, stone walls of up to 5 feet high and a width of 2.5 feet. Also a stone staircase with five clearly visible steps was discovered, leading to a stone platform connected to another staircase. Since the date the pictures were taken, other oceanographic expeditions have confirmed the findings, and even found more structures of the same kind over a wider area."

da reality


In his article, Mr. Vandecruys stated about the sunken
city to have been found on the Ampere Seamount:

"Since the date the pictures were taken,
other oceanographic expeditions have
confirmed the findings, and even found
more structures of the same kind
over a wider area. But even though on the
eastern side of the Atlantic, this is
still not the Canary Archipelago of course!"

However, the claim that the findings of Dr. Petrovsky /
Vladimir Marakuyev have been found by later investigators
is completely false. The Ampere Seamount has been studied
in great detail since 1978, and nobody has found any of
the ruins reported in Anonymous (1978, 1981). Papers,
i.e. Bogdanov et al. (1984), Khun et al. (1993, 1995),
Litvin et al. (1982), and Marova (1988), have reported
on the results of detailed studies of the surface of
the Ampere Seamount. Also, the top of the Ampere Seamount
has been intensively stuied by biologists investigating
the reefs from on its summit. None of these studies has
found anything remotely resembling ancient ruins,
including stone walls, staircases, or platforms. From
the number and level of detail of this published
research, a person can confidently conclude that enough
detailed research has been done about the Ampere Seamount
that if the submerged ruins were real, they would have
been found by now. It is quite clear that these ruins
don't exist.

There are 2 fundamental problems with almost all Atlantis theories:

1) There is no evidence of any bronze age culture existing anywhere in the world 6,000 years before the start of the bronze age (c3,000BC), let alone in Greece.

2) Why would any culture outside of the Mediterranean invade the Mediterranean and lose a war with Athens? No explanation has been given for this important aspect of the story, least of all by those suggestion location of Atlantis in places like the Americas.

It's quite clear that the time frame given by Plato is inaccurate. Since we know that aspect of the story to be wrong, we cannot trust any other aspects either.

Originally posted by Essan
2) Why would any culture outside of the Mediterranean invade the Mediterranean and lose a war with Athens? No explanation has been given for this important aspect of the story, least of all by those suggestion location of Atlantis in places like the Americas.

Well that's the thing: you can imagine whatever you want fill the gap.

What if "Athens" wasnt actually Platos Athens? If you paint a picture of Atlantis as an "advanced" and "magical" civilization 9000 years, why not make a proto-Greek civilization that dominated the entire central and eastern Med of equal technological prowess? This civilization is of course where later Greeks got their stories of magical creatures, such as satyrs and centaurs: they must have helped the proto-Greeks defeat the evil Atlantians

(sidenote: we can also say the Atlanteans looked like elves. Everybody loves killing elves)

[edit on 20-7-2008 by merka]

Howdy Essan and Merka

Yep a staggering lack of evidence. Imagination and belief have filled in the gaps.

With T & C as your only ancient source you're pretty much in an intellectual cul de sac. No sign of people or mammals on the Azores and I'm checking now on Madiera. Odd considering the mind set that Atlanteans might have been there or travelled there.

It just doesn't work - I had mentioned before that I've notice more and more Atlantis believers putting the mysterious land in different dimensions, times (way before us or way after) or on other planets. The influence of no evidence is "marinating" the imaginations of some.