A Conspiracy of Zionist-Masonic Misdirection

Originally posted by Skyfloating
All I know is that anywhere you find extreme levels of stupidity and bigotry you also find hatred of jews and masons. Its no coincidence that a certain country in which women are seen as the guilty ones if they get beaten and raped is at the same time also the country in which freemasonry is outlawed and jews despised.

Do not mistake the 'ordinary people' with the designs of their leadership. What do Jews and Freemasons have in common? A belief in the power of education and free thought. In any oppressive regime that aims to restrict educational access you are going to find that the groups you refer to are persecuted.

I think that you give a poor example by referring to rape as an indicator of ignorance. In the west we are only just learning how to deal with rape. For years, women were treated like they were in some way guilty and found either little recourse with the law, and/or found that the legal process was just as much of a violation. It is still very difficult for a spouse to be proscecuted for rape given the constraints of the law.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Scapegoating jews then becomes a diversion and deflection from their own shameful acts which they dont want to face.

Yes and no, when education and information is restricted it is easier to hate difference. The same is happening now against the Muslims and to a growing degree against the Chinese. They are being dehumanised, and your views show a gleaming example of this.

Are they backward? Yes. Is it their fault? Not necessarily. We on the other hand, with free access to information should know better than to pick one side of the other. In doing so we become no better than they are.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
The Roman Catholic church used to be a force of stupidity hundreds of years ago but they´ve mellowed out in order to adapt to new levels of evolution. Fascism has fallen, communism has fallen. One of the last challenges we face is religious extremism.

The Roman Catholic Church is an administrative body, always has been. It has a bank and its role has always been to collect money (taxes/tythes), it has a permanent 'civil service' that is quite seperate, that is appointed (not elected, like a mere Pope) and that controls the way in which those funds are used and directed. The 'faith' has mellowed certainly, but the 'corporation' that is the Vatican is an entirely seperate entity. However, the Vatican only survives because it is permitted to do so, its influence far outweighs its physical power.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by KilgoreTrout]

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Another part it could be connected to is ODESSA, Organization of Former Members of the SS. Including Obersturmbannführer Otto Skorzeny of the Waffen SS and his neo fascist organization Paladin Group.

The Palladin Group were not neo-fascists, they were mercenaries. Soldiers for hire, they did not have an ideology of their own. Skorzeny was a thug for hire, the remanents of the SS were fit for no other purpose than murder, having spent the last five years murdering men, women and children. Once a line has been crossed there can be no redemption and the only thing that these men could do was commit murder. Many were quite willing to pay them to do so. But, I reiterate, it had nothing to do with political ideology on the part of Skorzeny.

I can't remember the title, but Charles Whiting wrote a biography on Skorzeny, he interviewed him several times. You may find it enlightening, but either way it will leave you in no doubt that Skorzeny had no morals about whom he worked for. He was most definately NOT an ideologist.


[edit on 17-7-2008 by KilgoreTrout]

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
I think that you give a poor example by referring to rape as an indicator of ignorance. In the west we are only just learning how to deal with rape. For years, women were treated like they were in some way guilty and found either little recourse with the law, and/or found that the legal process was just as much of a violation. It is still very difficult for a spouse to be proscecuted for rape given the constraints of the law.

There are many indicators for a society being on a certain evolutionary level. Poor treatment of women is only one indicator. Hatred of intelligent people another.

Yes and no, when education and information is restricted it is easier to hate difference. The same is happening now against the Muslims and to a growing degree against the Chinese. They are being dehumanised, and your views show a gleaming example of this.

I understand I mustnt generalize in terms of "the" muslims or "the" chinese. In private I wouldnt do this either. Nevertheless it is glaringly obvious that some "pockets" of extreme ignorance are good at one thing: Deflecting and re-directing blame towards another group.

Are they backward? Yes. Is it their fault? Not necessarily. We on the other hand, with free access to information should know better than to pick one side of the other. In doing so we become no better than they are.

The solution is therefore free flow of information. That has always been the solution and always will be.

So we can simplify world events and streams into two modes:

1. Free Flow of Information
2. Restricted Flow of Information

Most of the groups we are talking about here - religious and political - are about the restriction of information flow.

The Roman Catholic Church is an administrative body, always has been. It has a bank and its role has always been to collect money (taxes/tythes), it has a permanent 'civil service' that is quite seperate, that is appointed (not elected, like a mere Pope) and that controls the way in which those funds are used and directed. The 'faith' has mellowed certainly, but the 'corporation' that is the Vatican is an entirely seperate entity. However, the Vatican only survives because it is permitted to do so, its influence far outweighs its physical power.

I believe power has shifted. Both the Church and the Freemasons used to have more power than they do today. Im not entirely sure who holds the power today but its not Catholics, Muslims, Jesuits, Jews, Christians, Freemasons - perhaps corporations and mass-media.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
So we can simplify world events and streams into two modes:

1. Free Flow of Information
2. Restricted Flow of Information

My methodology entirely.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Most of the groups we are talking about here - religious and political - are about the restriction of information flow.

Exactly. And each has there own agenda. When it is mutually beneficial to do so they will work together, but that in no way implies that they are not ultimately in opposition to one another.

I believe power has shifted. Both the Church and the Freemasons used to have more power than they do today. Im not entirely sure who holds the power today but its not Catholics, Muslims, Jesuits, Jews, Christians, Freemasons - perhaps corporations and mass-media.

It is the same system of power though, which is why a familiarity will always persist. It looks the same, it feels the same, but that doesn't mean that there is a continuity of leadership, just the same ideas being used for 'good' and for 'evil'. The power itself is still divided. The two major threats are seperated by religious ideology which can be utilised to further division. The Islamic Right and the Christian Right represent the immediate threat, in my opinion. And are also the greatest disseminators of anti-freemasonry and anti-Jewish propaganda. The mass media and the Corporations have different agendas that cheifly involve preserving their position within the status quo, which is why they consistently oppose all forms of socialism, but will stir the collective pot when it suits them.

well lets face the rpoblem head on. The taughtalogy today for the slandering of jews usually has to do with money. Jews control this or that etc..

Then there is the 9-11 incident which fuels much of the hate out there.

Then there is beuracracy. People generally say its a conspiracy to use america for isreals defense.

Sadly though what I see is a very different picture than what average haters see. i dont hate jews. Though i admit i poke fun at them as much they might me, a former christian, now modernist because i focussed my faith in chuch and things of old to technology and the advance of the social and educational state of man. Seek and ye shall find.

Sadly our elected leaders pump all these positive energies into machines to later create dull things like war, police state opression, greed maneuvers. So being that there are wolves in sheeps clothing, it makes sense that these are the real problem, to generalise is extreme folly.

Discern, but do not judge.

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what if the conspiricy had been created by the jews to make it look like they themselves look like scapegoats.

curious you should start this topic just when i've found some curious information on this subject myself..

Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Born in 1890, he was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City at one time principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. The Willard Hotel, Washington, D.C., speech was given before a patriotic, Christian audience (NOT before Nazis as some have suggested) in 1961 on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense.

Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us ― his warning to the West ― is more urgent than ever before.

the show is in audio and is old so forgive the quality but what is more important is the information you will recieve.. it is pretty damning stuff..


iamthewitness.com...

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