D.D. ya beat me to it!!!

Wonderfully interesting article.

And there are people still support this man, more and more, after every injustice he commits.

He's against black people (no MLK day)
He's against asian people (word usage of "gook" which he refuses to retract)


Yeah. Lots vote a man into office who's only qualifications are war

No thanks

Originally posted by LLoyd45
I think the whole idea of gay adoptions is rather selfish. Imagine the ridicule and harrassment the kid would have to deal with at school on a daily basis. Maybe the two parents are mature enough to deal with the rejection and cruel comments, but why subject an innocent child to that kind of abuse? We all know that kids can be extremely cruel to those who are different or not part of the clique.

What about children whose parents dont have a lot of money
Or parents who are a little on the "wierd side"

what about one parent homes
or foster kids


they're all equally ridiculed.

They shouldnt be allowed to adopt either?

I was raised by lesbians and I don't think it was really a good thing, I was left quite confused, and got heavily bullied over it. Of course I got over all that in the end, but really, that part of my childhood is not the good memories.

Originally posted by bobafett
I was raised by lesbians and I don't think it was really a good thing, I was left quite confused, and got heavily bullied over it. Of course I got over all that in the end, but really, that part of my childhood is not the good memories.

Which is, truthfully and from a REALIST view, is why we should not allow gay couples to have children. People, especially kids, cannot be reasonable. Cannot be considerate.
These people will not change, atleast not any time soon. Gay couples will rationalize this away, but it will not change the fact that it will always be a hurtful situation for any child. Children cannot understand why they are being bullied and stared at. Adults may be able to happily live their lives with such stigma. Children end up scarred.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I strongly am against gay adoption. The kid should not have to go through that.

Go through what? Neandrathals in society? It is not the child's nor the gay parents fault that they would get "teased". It is people like McCain who espouse this bigotry.

I actually feel sorry for his adopted child.

BTW, I'm not jumping on you. Maybe we should ask children brought up by gay people before we come to conclusions that it's not worth it?

Obama gets applauded for saying that blacks should be more responsible which is his opinion. McCain gets slammed for saying gays shouldn't adopt which is his opinion. I didn't hear McCain say that he would legislate the issue. Nor did I hear that Obama would legislate to make black people more responsible. It is their opinion. They both should be admired for standing up for what they believe in knowing that controversy would ensue. I'm sure you could find many blacks who disagree with Obama and many gays who disagree with McCain on their opinions.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
What about children whose parents dont have a lot of money
Or parents who are a little on the "wierd side"

If they don't have a lot of money to start with, I think adopting another child would be a rather bad idea. Kids cost a lot of money to raise, and deserve to have a stable home that provides adequate food, shelter, and medical care. Wierd I could deal with, a lot of people are wierd, as in strange.

what about one parent homes
or foster kids they're all equally ridiculed.

They shouldnt be allowed to adopt either?

"Yes", they are frequently ridiculed and tend to be very unhappy children as a result of. So why would you want to subject a child to that type of situation? Shouldn't their happiness and mental well-being be the first priority?

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I strongly am against gay adoption. The kid should not have to go through that.

Go through what? Neandrathals in society? It is not the child's nor the gay parents fault that they would get "teased". It is people like McCain who espouse this bigotry.

I actually feel sorry for his adopted child.

BTW, I'm not jumping on you. Maybe we should ask children brought up by gay people before we come to conclusions that it's not worth it?

Oh, look. There is one of them right here.

Originally posted by bobafett
I was raised by lesbians and I don't think it was really a good thing, I was left quite confused, and got heavily bullied over it. Of course I got over all that in the end, but really, that part of my childhood is not the good memories.

So, what conclusions are being jumped to?

Originally posted by LLoyd45
I think the whole idea of gay adoptions is rather selfish. Imagine the ridicule and harrassment the kid would have to deal with at school on a daily basis. Maybe the two parents are mature enough to deal with the rejection and cruel comments, but why subject an innocent child to that kind of abuse? We all know that kids can be extremely cruel to those who are different or not part of the clique.

I vote we ban fat people from adopting then. Because they'll make the kids fat.

How about black people adopting a white kid? White people adopting Koreans?

How about unclean parents? I remember the kids making fun of the unclean girl at school.

All different but still get teased for these differences.

Before you go flaming me, First think how would you have felt if you had that type of living arrangement as a child? Remember just how cruel little kids really can be because you're short, fat, don't have nice clothes, etc..

Exactly. So one more ridicule is worth it to make that child suffer not having a home?

A question. What prevents a gay couple from raising a child well that straight people don't have to deal with? Basically, what's the difference?

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

Originally posted by bobafett
I was raised by lesbians and I don't think it was really a good thing, I was left quite confused, and got heavily bullied over it. Of course I got over all that in the end, but really, that part of my childhood is not the good memories.

Which is, truthfully and from a REALIST view, is why we should not allow gay couples to have children. People, especially kids, cannot be reasonable. Cannot be considerate.
These people will not change, atleast not any time soon. Gay couples will rationalize this away, but it will not change the fact that it will always be a hurtful situation for any child. Children cannot understand why they are being bullied and stared at. Adults may be able to happily live their lives with such stigma. Children end up scarred.

and who's responsible for that stigma?? is it the gay parents? hardly. it's society as a whole. maybe a little more effort should be put into getting rid of that stigma, than telling people they aren't good enough to be parents because they're kid will get teased.
when i was a young kid, not that many years ago, i'd say 95-98% of all the kids i knew came in contact with were bullied at one point or another, or even for most of their young lives, because they were poor, or they liked the wrong thing...so on and so forth. it's part of growing up. always has been. to deny a child a loving home because they might get teased by other children for their "weird parents" is rediculous. i didn't understand why i was being bullied for being poor, and having no dad around. hasn't stopped me from leading a healthy adult life with my wife. denying a child a loving home, because of all that is tantamount to child abuse itself. " you can't live with them because you'll get teased. they may love you and provide for everything you need, but childhood bullying is more important" sickening really.

Interesting responses.

Since Gay Marriage is a State issue and since the President would never have to deal with it, why was he asked the question?

Every day another meaningless hit piece on one of the Candidates just for shock value. News reporting is not even reporting any more. It's just meaningless gossip for little old ladies and people with no lives of their own. Next they will make a Beauty Queen falling down a major story - ooop's already happened

Honestly, people who vote based on this stuff, never cease to amuse me. If this is how you pick candidates, please don't vote. You are part of the problem.

By the way, I noticed Obama had Reptilian eyes on an interview over the weekend. Suppose he ate any children lately? I once thought that was just from camera lights, but being on ATS for a while I now know better. Don't let him near your kids. (turns off sarcasm button before people think he is serious)

Originally posted by optimus primal
indeed kids are cruel. and to a point that's natural, every kid has to deal with it. it's what makes us who we are as an adult, how we deal with that cruelty that is. i was made fun of for having a poor single mother, does that mean no one who is poor or single should have a child?

Wouldn't you have preferred having happy childhood memories rather than one's of being socially ostracized or bullied?

how about fat parents? should they be kept from having a child? what about parents with one arm? or parents who are deformed from an accident or war?

Having physically unattractive parents is quite different from having gay parents. Sure, you might get a little teasing, but nowhere near what you would with the latter situation.

what about parents who at the age of 40 or older still play video games?

If they're responsible and provide for their family, I see nothing wrong with it. Most kids would think they're cool anyway.

if we're going to base who can have children off of how they're children(adopted or otherwise) are going to be treated by the local bully kids, not many kids are going to be born or have homes.

Gay people should realize how cruelly these children will be treated from their own personal experiences. To willingly subject a child to this is selfish in my opinion.