Semperfortis vs intrepid
"Human rights are a mere myth reinforced by those who hold power."
Semper’s Reply #1
Hello my Champion and fellow Debater!
For those of you that may be unfamiliar, intrepid is the ATS Debate Champion and wears his flag of Honor very well. While I am without a doubt, a
seasoned debater, “locking horns
” with an opponent of intrepid’s caliber is always a daunting proposition.
Now, let us get into this wonderful topic, shall we?
A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
I only included the pertinent segment of the definition as we will not be discussing “Bigfoot
” here. For it is the Fictional
, the Mythical
concepts of Human Rights
I intend on illustrating in this debate for all of you to see.
semper was less verbose than usual as well. Not wanting to give an edge, feel each other out.
I’m not sure I have an edge my friend, but we shall continue..
Universal Declaration of Human Rights as established by the UN in 1948
That document will serve as well as any other, for the concept of “Human Rights” is a myth the world over as I shall prove to you and our readers
as we progress. While mankind has created many such documents, as we are prone to do, and they all fall short of the complete guarantee of human
rights as I shall prove to you.
Socratic question #1- Semper, who do you see as those "who hold power
I personally subscribe to the “Leadership Elite” concept in regards to “World Leadership” and manipulation. We can easily trace back the
historical genealogy of our current world leaders and see the connections; yet as to whom controls and perpetrates the myth of human rights at this
moment in time, is not pertinent to my stance on this topic.
Socratic Question #2- Which “rights” should be subject to removal for the betterment of Society?
None. That is why they are called BASIC human rights.
Ladies and Gentlemen, my opponent has made a critical error. While proclaiming that NO
rights should be removed for the betterment of society,
he posts a source that directly contradicts his premise.
1. without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property,
birth or other status.
2. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
3. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile
4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property
5. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work
6. higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit
Here I have listed but a few of the Rights
illustrated by the document source by my opponent and you can clearly see that they are a myth
reinforced by those that hold power. Across the world, we have no guarantees of any of these rights.
My opponents answer of none
to which rights should be subject to removal for the betterment of society, rings completely untrue in comparison
to today’s society. Why?
Rights can be and are routinely removed for the betterment of society.
An 18 year old gets caught with a green leafy substance. The 18 year old is a poor individual without the luxury of a high priced attorney and must
settle for NO LEGAL REPRESENTATION. As such, our 18 year old gets placed in prison for LIFE. That’s right, you guessed it, By those who hold
power and perpetrate the myth of human rights
Life in Prison
This is by no means an isolated instance as we can all “Google” for ourselves and discover the many times basic human rights are taken from us by
those in power.
Now my opponents own source indicates that “No one shall be subject to arbitrary arrest” and yet we have a child here going to prison for life;
Yet my opponent says that no rights should be subject to removal for the betterment of society. I have shown you that RIGHTS
can and are
removed for reasons far less serious than the betterment of society.
More on this later.
the rights weren't taken, they were abdicated
I beg to differ.
To relinquish (power or responsibility) formally.
To relinquish formally a high office or responsibility.
Same Dictionary reference as above
It is apparently going to be my opponent’s contention that when someone commits a criminal action, they “abdicate
their rights. While
abdication is defined as “voluntary” I do understand my opponents meaning I hope.
Correct me if I am wrong please, but you are indicating that a person that commits a criminal action, voluntarily
gives up their rights,
through their own actions and that their human rights are not removed.
That is all well and good, except for the fact that those in power routinely enact, create and establish more LAWS
to restrict and cause us to
relinquish our rights; thus removing any personal responsibility from us in regards to the human rights we are supposed to have.
Socratic Question #1
Who decides which laws we can voluntarily commit that will cause the removal of our human rights?
Socratic Question #2
If Human Rights are equivalent across the globe, how can I as a traveler know when I have voluntarily
given up those rights by committing an
infraction I was not aware of in a strange country?
We all have basic human rights that can't be taken from us
And yet we have Slavery all over the world.
We have the life-long imprisonment of a child for the possession of a natural substance.
We have the rule of “eminent domain
”, which we will discuss at length later on.
Equal Pay for Equal Work is a PURE MYTH
And of course the icing on the cake is:
higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit
Merit my BUTT!!! It is accessible on the basis of MONEY. Money held and held jealously by those in power.
Myths!! all myths designed by those in power to keep us settled and comfortable while “they” remain in power and actually do enjoy all the rights
of us are supposed to enjoy.
We will also consider that with rights comes responsibility. With responsibility come reward and consequence.
No argument there personally, yet that very concept reinforces the FACT that our rights can be removed for something as simple as disregarding our
responsibility; that in and of itself establishes the myth that is our human rights.
If they can be removed because I am irresponsible, were they ever mine to begin with?
Let us take a moment and look more closely at the source my opponent would have you believe establishes our human rights for us.
(I will be paraphrasing for the sake of brevity, yet all are from the original source)
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights
This is number 1 in the articles and perhaps number 1 in mythology as well.
We are NOT
all born free and equal.
Ask any woman in any Muslim Country how equal she is.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person
I have clearly shown you one instance where the 18 year old was deprived of his right to Liberty. Shall we further examine the government sponsored
prisons in Syria, Iran, North Korea and sadly even here in the United States? Shall we see how many are there currently being deprived of life and
Shall we address the number of people murdered within the confines of our prisons here and across the world? They did not enjoy the HUMAN RIGHT
of Security of Person
slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms
Are we to believe that slavery does not in fact exist?
This is a perfect example of the myth perpetrated by those in power to make us believe that we are in fact secure in our persons; when in fact the
opposite is very much true.
Slavery exists all across the world and for many people it is a matter of fact, not myth. Yet here in our Western Comfort Culture, we are being fed
the myth by those in power that it is prohibited and led to believe that it does not in fact exist.
I wonder if we walked out in the street in this Nation and my opponent’s Nation, and just ask a random sample of individuals if slavery is
happening, what would we get as a response do you think?
I would expect that a significant portion of a random sampling would tell us that it does not. They are fully under the myth being reinforced by those
Here are four articles from my opponent’s own source that clearly indicate the myth being reinforced by those in power that we have any human rights
at all. To imagine those human rights are in anyway protected is pure folly for anyone except those in power.
Next we shall address exactly WHY
those in power can’t allow you to have actual human rights.
In the end, you will be as convinced as I am that:
"Human rights are a mere myth reinforced by those who hold power."