Originally posted by DaleGribble
how long is it going to take you guys to realize THERE WERE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
really i want an honest answer, a simple easy honest answer.
Thanks for the post. I looked into these claims of having found WMDs, and it turns out that the information you are posting is misleading. While 500
munitions were found, they were all pre 1991, and from old regimes. In fact, the weapon were useless.
If you read the Foxnews story that went along with the article, you will notice it says this,
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not
in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the
rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Thats right, even the defense department speaking on behalf of the administration admits these weren't the WMDs we went to war for. We knew these
munitions existed in 1991 during the Gulf war, and left them there when we left because we didn't think it would be a problem. Bush claimed Saddam
had built new weapons, which clearly the official stance from the administration is still that they have found no evidence of that.
Rep. Santorum was the one who reported these documents as a smoking gun, and when he was told that Jim Angle a senior defense department official said
these findings were not why we went to war, and these weapons were worthless and couldn't be fired, Santorums only response is "I'd like to know
who that is"
Not only that, but Bush's appointed Iraq study group admitted in 2004 that there was a af finding of old unusable WMDs, but overal Saddam had
destroyed his stockpile. Bush agrees in his own word here:
"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical
weapons stockpile in 1991," the Iraq Survey Group reported in 2004. "There are no credible Indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical
munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it
should WMD be discovered."
"The chief weapons inspector, Charles Duelfer, has now issued a comprehensive report that confirms the earlier conclusion of David Kay that Iraq did
not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there," said President Bush in October of 2004, as cited at Think Progress.Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Congresswoman Jane Harman goes on to explain why these findings don't change anything.
"There is nothing new here," said Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA) in a statement. "Nothing in this report, classified or otherwise,
contradicts the Duelfer Report, which assessed that we would find degraded pre-1991 weaponry in Iraq.
Harman also blasted what she feels is selective declassification by the Bush administration. "When the intelligence community disseminated classified
intelligence conclusively establishing that one of the Vice President's much-touted justifications for war was blatantly wrong, my request to
declassify that information was denied," she added. "When the request comes from Republicans and can be spun in an attempt to support a Republican
position, however, the answer is markedly different." Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
(same source as above)
Just to give you an idea of how insignificant these findings were, the exact same types of degraded unusable WMDs have been found lying around
unaccounted for in... Washington DC!
The discovery of poorly accounted for stocks of WMD is not unheard of around the world. Researcher Jonathan Tucker detailed in 2001 for the Bulletin
of the Atomic Scientists the discovery of a significant number of chemical weapons shells in Northwest DC.Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
(same source as above again)
So if you are asserting that the weapons you are referencing is justification for war, then the international community should declare war on the US
So were there WMDs found. Technically, but they were unusable remains that we had left them keep after the Gulf War with no problem. To this day the
administrations official findings are that Saddam destroyed his stockpiles and was not developing more. Even the defense department admits that there
was no WMD justification for the war, as similar findings of unusable WMDs have occurred in the US.
I feel its unfair to claim these findings as proof of anything. Everyone knew at one point Iraq had chemical weapons. The claim was that Saddam had
developed knew ones that was the reason for the war. Not only did the investigation find that Saddam had destroyed his stockpiles, but they throughly
proved that he wasn't building new ones. Hence, it was a lie. Finding old unusable remains of WMDs from the 80s hardly seems to justify you
claiming that we need to admit there were WMDs