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Is pornography better than sex?

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posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
It is uncalled for to quote another poster and take issue with what they have stated plainly and openly?


No. But when you do it as immaturely as you did, it is uncalled for:

"Any guy that comes onto a thread discussing pornography and starts advertising the fact that he is a VIRGIN and he is PROUD and he can EDUMACATE others about sex and porn has ISSUES."

Are you insecure about something? Your attacks on me were totally unprovoked.

Its almost like you are taking offense to a virgin being involved in a sexual discussion because you fear your intelligence will be challenged by someone as inferior as a virgin. Sounds like a superiority complex issue.


Originally posted by Sonya610
It is uncalled for to put their exact words in front of them?


You said I was preaching health. I never said that.

You said I was proud of being a virgin. I never said that.

You said I was here to "edumacate". I never said that.

You said I was questioning whether porn is acceptable. I never said that.

So where do we get to the part where you put my exact words in front of me? Because I've yet to see where you did that. All I see is assumptions, twisting of words, and misguided judgments about my knowledge and intelligence based on an insignificant fact.


Originally posted by Sonya610
It is uncalled for to question the "experience and knowledge" of a person regarding something (such as sex) that they have clearly stated they HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF?


I never stated I have no knowledge of it, and experience does not equal knowledge. I have no experience with it. There is a difference. Learn it.




posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Here is a lesson for you kid...sometimes you have to ask yourself, do you want to be right? Or do you want to be happy.

Burn that into your brain. Trust me it will come in handy.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Here is a lesson for you kid...


Superiority complex. Just as I thought. Thank you for proving me right.

Have a nice day



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by The-Tyrant
 


You are trying to introduce levity here. : )

All this defense of women, sheesh I haven't even shared my opinions on men, if it weren't for disease males would not exist. Species that have no disease have no males. The reason I empathize with the OP is because maybe sometimes its two sides of the same coin.


?????
LOL

Please clarify? Disease?



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 07:14 PM
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Species that do not have disease do not have males. Males exist for the purpose of mixing dna. Tis written. : )

Everything is conceived female. Female is the natural state. In the womb some mutate into males.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Well with humans males AND females exist to mix dna.

I don't know what your talking about, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with humans.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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Uhhh...unless you are speaking Biblically...do some research. All human zygotes are conceived female...some later become male. Another interesting sidenote...there are more male geniuses. Why? Because female i.q. does not diverge nearly as much...more males are geniuses...more males are retarded. Most males are expendible when it comes to the survival of the species. They are a genetic crapshoot.

Don't ask me for links at the moment, what I say is true, you can google it.

Wait...this thread is about porno. Don't let my misandristic views get things off topic. Nevermind.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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I don't have time to reply to all of the posts made since I got caught up with this thread, but I want to commend Sonya for some really interesting posts. Great contribution!



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 08:04 PM
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reply to post by EverythingYouDespise
 


Yes well misanthropes can recognize a kindred spirit. : )



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by _Phoenix_
 


Species that do not have disease do not have males. Males exist for the purpose of mixing dna. Tis written. : )

Everything is conceived female. Female is the natural state. In the womb some mutate into males.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by Sonya610]


A very large and obvious misunderstanding of biology.

Anyway, for me, nothing beats the feeling of having sex wtih someone you're truly close to. Porn is definitely easier, and it allows you to explore just about anything you can fantasize about, but in the end, the human-human contact that you feel having sex with an actual person tops everything...even when it's bad. Unless I'm really tired. of course.

It's like that saying goes - When sex is good, it's GOOD. When it's bad...it's still pretty good!



[edit on 18-7-2008 by Herman]



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 01:51 AM
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Hey your avatar .... are you my fan club?

ar ar ar

I HAD to OK !!!!





posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Herman A very large and obvious misunderstanding of biology.


Hey I didn’t come up with the theory, I just happen to like it. And while I said simply “disease” of course it also involves predators and other severe changes in the environment. The point is males are an adjunct that evolved for the purpose of mixing up dna during times of crisis.

www.bio-medicine.org...



Parthenogenesis

Another consequence of asexual reproduction, which may have both benefits and costs, is that offspring are typically genetically identical or nearly identical to their parent. This genetic similarity can be beneficial if the genotype is well suited to a stable environment, but disadvantageous if the environment is changing. For example, if a new predator or pathogen appears and a genotype is particularly defenseless against it, an asexual lineage is more likely to be completely wiped out by it. In contrast, a lineage that reproduces sexually has a higher probability of having at least some members survive due to the genetic recombination that produces a novel genotype in each individual. Similar arguments apply to changes in the physical environment.

Some species alternate between the sexual and assexual strategies, an ability known as heterogamy, depending on conditions. For example, the freshwater crustacean Daphnia reproduces by parthenogenesis in the spring to rapidly populate ponds, then switches to sexual reproduction as the intensity of competition and predation increases.

Gynogenesis

A form of asexual reproduction related to parthenogensis is gynogenesis. In gynogenesis, offspring are produced by the same mechanism as in parthenogenesis, but with the requirement that the egg be stimulated by the presence of sperm in order to develop. However, the sperm cell does not contribute any genetic material to the offspring. Since gynogenetic species lack males, activation of the egg requires mating with males of a cloesly related species. Some salamanders of the genus Ambystoma are gynogenetic and appear to have been so for over a million years. It is believed that the success of those salamanders may be due to the rare (perhaps only one mating out of a million) actual fertilization of eggs by a male, introducing new material to the gene pool.



www.biologyreference.com...



Williams proposed that sexual reproduction evolved because of the benefits gained by organisms in fluctuating physical environments. This is often called the "bet-hedging" or "tangled bank" hypothesis.
Others argue that sexual reproduction evolved because of advantages gained in the face of changes in other organisms. Predators, prey, and parasites constantly improve their efficiency at capturing prey, evading predators, and extracting nutrients from hosts. Genetically variable offspring offer more opportunities for each to increase its efficiency. This is called the "Red Queen" hypothesis after the popular book, Alice in Wonderland, in which the queen tells Alice, "Now here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."

Scientists have collected data in support of each of these hypotheses. The bet-hedging or tangled bank hypothesis predicts that sexual reproduction should predominate in unpredictable environments, while asexual reproduction should be found more frequently in stable environments. In support of this prediction, scientists have found that when species alternate between sexual and asexual reproduction, they often reproduce asexually in the spring and summer but sexually in the fall and winter when the environment is harsher.

The Red Queen hypothesis, on the other hand, predicts that sexual reproduction should increase in frequency as rates of parasitism or predation increase.


Apologies to the OP I realize this post is getting pretty offtopic, maybe I should start a new thread, but I could see the topic bringing out the Christians and I don't want to deal with them.


Originally posted by Herman It's like that saying goes - When sex is good, it's GOOD. When it's bad...it's still pretty good!


Spoken like a true male. As a female, when it's good its great, when it's bad it can be quite awful and a complete waste of time.


[edit on 18-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 11:57 AM
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Yeah Sonya OK. umm....

I just don't understand what your trying to say, do you not like males? Are you some sort of feminist?

Oh and that spoken like a true male comment, well not that true, I've seen a lot of guys get really upset or self concious or simply hate it too when it gets bad.

I'm getting this odd feeling with you and males.



[edit on 18-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Yeah Sonya OK. umm....
I just don't understand what your trying to say, do you not like males? Are you some sort of feminist?


When I state recognized theory or facts and people call b----s---- I feel the need to prove my source. And that is exactly what happened.


Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Oh and that spoken like a true male comment, well not that true, I've seen a lot of guys get really upset or self concious or simply hate it too when it gets bad.
I getting this odd feeling with you and males.


Yes guys take it personally. Most women do not take it personally (unless they have serious insecurity issues) they just think “Oh god what was I thinking, this seemed like a good idea but now I just want it to be over, but do not want to offend anyone in the process”. Rumor has it some even fake climax, ever wonder why? They want to be nice and they want it to be over.

As far as your “odd feeling”, if you are wondering if I am male, no. Males that pretend to be females online are typically a bit more pleasing, they have a goal in mind, and they play a part in the hopes of attaining that goal.



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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LOL yeah, but you know I have heard that some women are bad in bed too? Some women are really bad. They just lay there and do nothing. From what I've heard.

I'm sorry lol, males that pretend to be female? lol no.
The odd feeling was something to do with men, it feels you've had bad experience with men or for some reason have something against men.

Not saying you do, that's just the odd feeling I was getting.

Peace.




[edit on 18-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
The odd feeling was something to do with men, it feels you've had bad experience with men or for some reason have something against men.
Not saying you do, that's just the odd feeling I was getting.
Peace.


Oh that, well you hit the nail on the head there. I am not overly fond of men in the sense of emotional attachment. I only date for sex if that is what you mean, for instance if a guy wants to go “out” and says “lets have lunch” I immediately think “why would I want to have lunch with you? Lunch is about conversation, and if conversation was my goal I would not be seeking your company”. No bad experiences, never been abused or heartbroken (that would require an emotional investment..lol).

But at the same time I feel protective towards them. They can be quite annoying and all that but in some respects they are being beaten down and that really bothers me. For instance white males, sheesh they are the best and the brightest, they are directly responsible for most all forms of higher technology. The best among them are the best period, the smartest, the brightest, the cutting edge of thought and civilization. These days it is in vogue to beat them down and make them feel guilty about their own talents/strengths. It is sad, truly.

So yeah it’s a double edged sword.



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 12:50 PM
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Well thanks for clarifying it. That is what I was feeling I guess.

I guess in a way you can relate to the OP on "some" of his feelings.

Good luck, peace.



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Herman It's like that saying goes - When sex is good, it's GOOD. When it's bad...it's still pretty good!


Spoken like a true male. As a female, when it's good its great, when it's bad it can be quite awful and a complete waste of time.


Of course, when it's like that for you it's usually really good for us. I'd say it's more like a competition. There's usually a winner and a loser.


Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Oh and that spoken like a true male comment, well not that true, I've seen a lot of guys get really upset or self concious or simply hate it too when it gets bad.


That usually happens in prison. And high school wrestling hazing.


Seriously, though, for a guy to be able to have sex he has to at least be aroused. Not so for the ladies. That means things can be quite painful or unpleassant for them, and not pleasant at all (or so they claim). A guy might not be able to climax or stay "in the mood" but at least there's some good sensation.


Originally posted by _Phoenix_
LOL yeah, but you know I have heard that some women are bad in bed too? Some women are really bad. They just lay there and do nothing. From what I've heard.


Hey, some people like that! Haven't you ever heard of necrophilia?

The next time you take a girl home, try asking her if she'd be kind enough to lay in a bathtub filled with ice water and then lie completely still in bed for you. It'll be good for a laugh.


Originally posted by Misfit
Ya don't have to have HAD sex to understand the concepts of emotion that are a part of healthy sex. Which is what will never be understood when "women are only good for sex", or "porn is better than a real women" is the concept believed.


See, you'd probably enjoy life a lot more if you weren't so concerned with elevating others (and, in the process, putting yourself down). Heed the instincts and urges Nature's hammered into your senses and ignore the foolishness society tries to put into your head. Emotion should have nothing to do with pleasure, and if you try to tie them together you're only going to end up confused and miserable.

My advice to you - You know that $600 tax check Congress sent out this summer? Take that cash and spend it on some ecstacy, maybe a little crystal (or coke if you're a lightweight) and a couple of Eastern European escorts. They're a little more expensive than your average street hooker, but it'll be worth the price (after all, your first time has to be special, right?).

Start taking the drugs about thirty minutes to an hour before the girls show up. This is to both enhance your pleasure later on (the sex will feel better and you'll last for hours) and to help you shed your inhibitions.

Then bang the heck out of 'em and come back and tell me you still feel the same way.



Originally posted by LordInfamous
to the op: you do know that those women in porn get PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID to ACT like they'd screw anything that came their way right?


Of course I do. That's why people paaaaaay to watch them screw in the first place. Pornography is one of the biggest (and oldest) industries in the world and a lot of technological innovations stem from people trying to find new ways to produce it. When you've got a robot housekeeper or nanny or whatever in 2025, you'll have the robot sex slave created a decade earlier to thank.


Originally posted by ChaseTheGreat
Also OP, are there any secrets about the opposite sex that you would like to share with us? My game is good, but I'm still young, so I lack wisdom.


I think it's kind of ironic that I made a post advocating porn use over sex and you're asking me a question that ought to go to a relationships expert.
That said.... If they're nice to you, treat 'em like crap and they'll totally fall for you. I don't know why it works like that, but it's usually true. And if you think they're really good-looking, don't even think about letting them know you think that. I wouldn't suggest going up and saying, "Man, you're ugly," or something, because that's too obvious, but just act like you're talking to a very plain girl.

Don't talk to them much, either. You don't want them to get the idea that you care about their interests or goals or life or whatever. Also, I wouldn't suggest buying them drinks or sharing drugs with them UNLESS you know you're going to be able to get them sufficiently drunk or high and alone.

Finally - and this is just a continuation of my last point - you should booze and use dope heavily and often yourself. This is a long-term strategy designed to build up your tolerance. This way, when you've got some girl over, you can drink the same amount as her but remain sober enough to make your move while she's good and wasted. If you don't follow the long-term plan, you should watch what you drink. I suggest aged Scotch, because you can drink it very slowly while the girl goes through her Schnapps or wine cooler or beer or whatever at a much faster rate. Also, eat a full meal before you meet up with the girl because then it will take more drugs and alcohol before you become inebriated.

Hope I could help!



posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise
Calm down, ladies. Just because you have sex with your boyfriend or husband every once in a while doesn't mean you can't have alone time every day to make sure it's done right. And I know most of you don't watch porn, but just know this - your boyfriends and husbands still do, and that's not a bad thing. It's natural.


[edit on 14-7-2008 by EverythingYouDespise]


Um, I guess my sex/relationship is a bit backwards then. I'm female and my fiancee dosen't care for porn much, but I like it sometimes. I feel it enhances the sex sometimes cuz sometimes you see something diffrent and uh... try it. Or if you have a fantasy but you two can't play it out for each other(or don't have the money too either) but it's on tv... then it's more of a visual...

You have to work a bit to keep it intresting. Too many partenrs and it gets boring I'd think, you know your partner, know what they like, they know what you like, your always learning with each other, etc. I also don't beileve that sex is a relationship. It is a part of it, but not all of it. You can be in a relationship with someone you love deeply and not boink like bunnies all the time. I have a friend who loves his wife deeply, but the sex is horrible(they both think this... lol.) yet 5 years later and they are still together and no one cheated.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 12:04 AM
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Sonya,

You're certainly making a huge stretch in calling it "disease." I'm certainly no biologist myself, but such a stretch indicates to me that you have a pretty obvious misunderstanding of biology. It doesn't mean that you were wrong in everything you said, just that you made a large mistake in differentiating between a disease and something completely different. Human beings have never reproduced asexually. There was always a male and a female required. You're right that a zygote starts out as a female before the Y chromosome is added, but to call another gender a disease? That's beyond going too far. It's in a completely different ballpark.

Still, I think you have a very interesting opinion on all of this. It's not too often that you hear a woman refer to males as "annoying" and "the best and the brightest" in the same thread. It makes me think that you might be one of the few people out there with opinions that aren't solely motivated by their own bias. Almost robotic, in a way. It's kind of how I felt about the whole dating scene before my first serious relationship, actually. I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong, as this is all subjective anyway, but it's just an observation. I hear a lot of people speak of relationships the way you do, as if they don't desire any emotional connection at all and only want sex. Personally, I don't think dating purely for sex is worth it. That's way too much work for something that I really don't consider to be THAT amazing, at least not on the level that some do. I guess, even though a year ago I never thought I'd say it, nothing beats a really deep, emotional connection with another person. And having sex with the person you share that connection with? Pretty awesome.

Of course, most of the time all of that "deep emotional connection" crap crashes to the ground in a flaming mess of lies, deceit, and hurt feelings...it feels pretty good while it's happening.


Spoken like a true male. As a female, when it's good its great, when it's bad it can be quite awful and a complete waste of time.


What can I say? Although everythingyoudespise did hit on something when he said it's kind of like a competition. It seems like the times when I was almost wishing for it to just be over (don't get me wrong...still pretty good.) were the times that she thought it was the most amazing thing in the world.




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