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Is pornography better than sex?

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posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi I'm not in the least bit ashamed to say that I am a virgin. Its sad that I seem to have a better grasp of the concepts of sex as well as pornography than many of you do, who are more than likely older than I am.


Hmmm…you are a virgin but you have a better grasp of concepts like sex than those that have experience. Well after you finish giving advice on sex, perhaps you could move onto marital advice, and then maybe tips on pregnancy and childbirth too.

You may not have ever experienced those things, or dealt with the problems that may come up, but that should not stop you from sharing your wisdom with the ignorant masses. I for one eagerly look forward to your sage advice (and yes I am female).




posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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I'm usually very good at being able to tell if something being said is sarcastic or not, but I have to admit, your post has me stumped.


Kudos on that, no matter if its sarcastic or not.


[edit on 7/17/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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Ya don't have to have HAD sex to understand the concepts of emotion that are a part of healthy sex. Which is what will never be understood when "women are only good for sex", or "porn is better than a real women" is the concept believed.

[edit on 17/7/08 by Misfit]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Misfit
Ya don't have to have HAD sex to understand the concepts of emotion that are a part of healthy sex. Which is what will never be understood when "women are only good for sex", or "porn is better than a real women" is the concept believed.
[edit on 17/7/08 by Misfit]


Oh…yes…lets get on a soapbox and preach “healthy!” Everyone has issues. The op tried to keep the post civil and he has the right to his opinions. Why would anyone CARE if he prefers porn to sex? If that makes him happy then good for him!

Whether he likes women doesn’t make a difference either. He tried to be polite, so he is a misogynist, that happens, if he is running around beating/abusing women then the law will deal with him. Hopefully he is not an employer that hires them for the purpose of psychological abuse, but hey it happens all the time. Otherwise he does NOT have to like women and he can openly state he prefers virtual to the real deal and he should not be criticized for it.

He has his own opinions and he has the right to them. Hey if guys just “act stupid” and start saying a bunch of degrading things towards women to impress eachother I will call them on it, but when it is obviously sincere then I have to respect it.

If you plan to “fix” all the messed up men in the world (or all the messed up women for that matter) you have a big job ahead of you. Perhaps looking in the mirror would be a good start.


[edit on 17-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Oh…yes…lets get on a soapbox and preach “healthy!”

Preaching? Do you always take things over the top?



Everyone has issues. The op tried to keep the post civil and he has the right to his opinions. Why would anyone CARE if he prefers porn to sex?

I'm just not seeing any point to that one. He has his right to opinions, he posted them on a duscussion forum, above that, with the subject line of a question, hence replies. You'll have to ask the OP why he posted it as to why anyone would care. You posted to it.........why do you care?



Whether he likes women doesn’t make a difference either ........ snip

You sound like you could be his lawyer in a defense case. Was there reason to that whole paragraph?



He has his own opinions and he has the right to them.

As does everydamnbodyelse in the world. I'de say you are grasping at straws here, but I just can't figure out what the hell your intent is.



If you plan to “fix” all the messed up men in the world (or all the messed up women for that matter) you have a big job ahead of you. Perhaps looking in the mirror would be a good start.

What the hell are you on about? Jeezuz cripes, your entire reply has been of a retaliatory disposition, yet I just can't see what the hell you are fighting for. Am I supposed to do something now like throw statistics or something? You'll have to tell me, because I am at complete loss as to what was supposed to be benificial of your post.

"plan fix up all the messed up men in the world" ....... that, from my little 2 sentence paragraph, good gawd almighty!!



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:21 PM
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Why cant I have both at the same time?



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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My point is I am irritated when a self proclaimed "virgin" starts making judgements about "whats healthy and whats not" and I am equally annoyed by those that defend him.

Any guy that comes onto a thread discussing pornography and starts advertising the fact that he is a VIRGIN and he is PROUD and he can EDUMACATE others about sex and porn has ISSUES. Either he is very young and is a bit too full of himself, or he is not so young and there are reasons he is a virgin and those reasons to not lend themselves to telling OTHERS about healthy sex and whether porn is acceptable.


[edit on 17-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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I think the point was that he is a virgin, yet he knows how to treat women better, he respects them more and obviously has a more healthy view of women.

Not being rude but I find some of your posts, agressive, negative etc. You were suprised that I was a man and not a woman. I'm still wondering if your a man? from your posts it feels like that, but with a name like sonya I assume your a woman?

I like you anyway haha.



[edit on 17-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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This thread is NOT about how to treat women, how to make them happy and have a good relationship, the thread is about whether it makes sense to give up real life sex for porn.

And yes my threads have been a bit more aggressive lately, I am rediscoving my aggressive side. And you seem pleasant enough and if you want to have female pix as an avatar, along with a gender neutral name, and confuse people that is your right. : )



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

My point is I am irritated when a self proclaimed "virgin" starts making judgements about "whats healthy and whats not" and I am equally annoyed by those that defend him.


And I get irritated when someone implies that all women as being inept and dull of social standing.



and he can EDUMACATE others about sex

With that, you can quit adding as you go. The poster never gave any hint that he was trying to educate anydamnone. Reading his post it's quite clear that he HAS done some reading on the subject. You, obviously have not, or you wouldn't be so pissy about what he said.



Any guy that comes onto a thread discussing pornography and starts advertising the fact that he is a VIRGIN and he is PROUD and he can EDUMACATE others about sex and porn has ISSUES.

Gawd that was just retarded. He/she is glad to be a virgin, that makes THEM the one with issues, not one that thinks porn is better for sex than a real partner.



Either he is very young and is a bit too full of himself, or he is not so young and there are reasons he is a virgin and those reasons to not lend themselves to telling OTHERS about healthy sex and whether porn is acceptable.

What the hell is wrong with you? That posters comments are just as damn valid as anyone elses. You don't like what he is saying, then fine, just say so, this attempt at flaming the poster simply because you don't like what he has to say, (which is all it can be, as what the poster brought to the thread is both relevant here, and substantiated in basic relationship psychology) is juvenile at best.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
reply to post by _Phoenix_
 


This thread is NOT about how to treat women, how to make them happy and have a good relationship, the thread is about whether it makes sense to give up real life sex for porn.

And yes my threads have been a bit more aggressive lately, I am rediscoving my aggressive side. And you seem pleasant enough and if you want to have female pix as an avatar, along with a gender neutral name, and confuse people that is your right. : )

Well actually like I said in an earlier post, all that is important in finding out WHY he feels this way
haha

His other posts on his views of women and animals tells us a lot about "why" he likes porn better.

Yes your right that it does not mean we should judge him because of that, it is of course a personal choice/opinion.

But like he said "Is pornography better than sex?"

That all depends on his childhood, past experiences etc. Obviously something happened somewhere to dramatically change his view on women. Which of course affects his view on porn.

So the answer is "It depends on your view of women and relationships"




[edit on 17-7-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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Wow...

You are reading far too much in to what I said and taking this topic far too seriously.

I am not trying to tell anyone what is healthy and what is not. I did not even use the word "healthy" in my post.

So, guys who come on a discussion forum and advertise that they are bored with women, see women as only sex objects and imply that they have had sex so many times that it is a bore to them and they need something new are perfectly normal, but I have issues because I was simply being honest?

Would you rather read my post under a false assumption that I have had some sexual experience, as if it takes an experience to understand a topic that common sense can understand on its own?

I'm just an honest person.

What I said has nothing to do with being "proud" or being full of myself.

I'm not trying to educate anyone on anything, nor did I say I was.

I'm not trying to infringe on anyone's right to an opinion. In fact, I specifically said that people have a right to their opinions of women, no matter how insensitive, distasteful or rude those opinions may be.

I never "replied to" the OP, because I was not responding to him, but to everyone in general, so I am not 'singling out' anyone.

I never said porn was unacceptable.

These are just assumptions and twisting of words you are making because you took my post far beyond what it was meant to be. And now, rather than addressing the contents of my posts, you sarcastically write off MY right to an opinion and my ability to think logically and with common sense simply because I said I was a virgin. And not only that, you're going so far as to try and attack and degrade me on that fact.

Remind me what I did to deserve that reaction from you? Posted my opinion on a discussion board?



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Misfit
Gawd that was just retarded.


Let me point out one thing, when the virgin poster was “unsure” whether I was being sarcastic or not, I chose to let it go. YOU chose to get fired up and make an issue of it.

Regarding whether I liked what he had to say, and whether I said so, I think that is pretty clear. Scroll back and read slowly, perhaps then it will sink in.

I am not enjoying this conversation, I do not appreciate being called retarded, or having my opinions called such. I am willing to take the risk that my silence will be considered a victory in your eyes. Rant on, feel victorious. Peace.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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Women are like disposable razors to me. I use them until they get dull and rusty then I throw 'em away. The same thing with porn. So that makes sex and porn equal. But atleast porn dosen't complain when I throw it away. Oh, and my razors do stay sharper longer then the women too.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by The-Tyrant]

[edit on 17-7-2008 by The-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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Ya know, you suck at trying to twist words.

Tell you what ......... goodbye.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundiThese are just assumptions and twisting of words you are making because you took my post far beyond what it was meant to be. And now, rather than addressing the contents of my posts, you sarcastically write off MY right to an opinion and my ability to think logically and with common sense simply because I said I was a virgin.


Actually what you said was rather a strong statement.


I'm not in the least bit ashamed to say that I am a virgin. Its sad that I seem to have a better grasp of the concepts of sex as well as pornography than many of you do, who are more than likely older than I am. Perhaps it is a maturity issue.


When I read that I can't help but think you were making some pretty bold statements. You not only stated your opinion but you made a disparaging remark about others that may not share your outlook or opinions.

Maybe you did not mean it that way, but that is how it came across.

[edit on 17-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
When I read that I can't help but think you were making some pretty bold statements. You not only stated your opinion but you made a disparaging remark about others that may not share your outlook or opinions.

Maybe you did not mean it that way, but that is how it came across.


When grown men are talking about using women as sex objects to be tossed to the side when they're done with them, having trouble finding any interest in women other than sex, and making statements like "Again, I endorse prostitutes. I believe it was Charlie Sheen who wisely stated that, "You don't pay prostitutes to have sex with you.... You pay them to leave once they're done!"", then to me, there is a maturity issue.

I am not attacking the OP or claiming he doesn't have a right to his opinion. I'm not attacking his preference for porn rather than women. Although I just quoted him, I am not singling him out. I felt that for the most part, he wrote up his case in a mature manner. But there are some that have posted in this thread where maturity is a clear issue, and it only reflects a much more widespread maturity problem that is common among grown men.

On a side note, it was pretty uncalled for for you to attempt to degrade me and my opinion because of one word in my post. That, too, reeks of immaturity and inability to hold a civil discussion. Next time argue the points of a post, not the person who makes them.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
On a side note, it was pretty uncalled for for you to attempt to degrade me and my opinion because of one word in my post. That, too, reeks of immaturity and inability to hold a civil discussion. Next time argue the points of a post, not the person who makes them.


It is uncalled for to quote another poster and take issue with what they have stated plainly and openly? It is uncalled for to put their exact words in front of them? It is uncalled for to question the "experience and knowledge" of a person regarding something (such as sex) that they have clearly stated they HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF?

Yes I see now I was being very very unfair. I do apologize.



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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Back to the suject people. Women and porn are in the same boat. They both have their purpose, and that purpose is pleasure. Of course women have the additional purpose of child-birth, but that's it. It really is that simple. Use them, toss 'em, then trash them. Why keep any of them around. It's a waste of space, if you ask me. I love 'em both though

[edit on 17-7-2008 by The-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 17 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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You are trying to introduce levity here. : )

All this defense of women, sheesh I haven't even shared my opinions on men, if it weren't for disease males would not exist. Species that have no disease have no males. The reason I empathize with the OP is because maybe sometimes its two sides of the same coin.



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