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Hard Disclosure Part III - Get it while you can.

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posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 03:22 AM
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Mike and the Mechanics?




posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by applebiter
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We are our own worst enemy.



OK, I think I'm back on track now.

So the way you're framing this apparent coming crisis - I'm seeing it as not only inevitable but necessary and "natural" in the overall evolution of our spiritual growth.

The factors holding back our cosmic evolution will basically converge upon each other and wipe themselves out in some sort of purifying apocalyptic bloodbath?

To avoid this demise you have to denounce such factors - i.e. materialism, fundamentalism, lack of empathy and concern for the well-being of others...

But why all the secrecy around this premise? Why not get the message out more directly?

Is it because everyone has to figure it out for themselves, otherwise it's all a sham? People who do it only in the interest of saving their own souls are not worthy of having their souls saved in the first place?


Personally I believe 99% of the worlds problems are caused by one thing - Insecurity. With a capital I. Some are consumed by it - from teenage girls who develop eating disorders to religious fundamentalists who are so afraid they're wrong they'll kill anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

But more than anything it's contagious. People who are down on themselves treat other people like crap because they want to bring them down to the same level. Happens 745863945672176 times every single day on this planet, and it leads to a lot of things that probably hold us back spiritually.

Maybe it ties into what you were saying before about the separation of self and other and all that but in any case I can't blame a lot of people for naively falling victim to it. Instead I look for a solution from one of the greatest persons that ever lived:


Originally posted by Mark Twain
Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.


This is why I brought up the whole "why would someone enlightened cover up enlightenment?" thing in the first thread. I don't get it. We ARE all inter-connected and we influence each other's behaviors everyday. So shouldn't the great ones that know this be leading by example, instead of through cryptic hints?

I can see why you felt burdened by this. I wouldn't wanna leave anyone behind either.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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O.k. Now you are starting to freak me out..."I can feel it coming in the air tonight" Why do I know that I am going to know you again? See, you got me man...tears already. How about, "there has to be an invisible sun, shines its light on everyone" or Rush "Tom Sawyer" "the world is the world is...New tom sawyer got his eye on you"



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 03:34 AM
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this thread is even worse than the other two threads, mind scientists
. and the old zionists are involved, there's a shock. you're being pressured so you can't give out any more information, oh gosh, is it the men in black, are they coming to get you?

wonder if there is a pattern here, multiple threads, facts with tons of spin attached, unwilling to reply to critics, no links, no documentation, no background and suggestions that "they" are trying to stop you from getting the truth out.

same crap, different day.


[edit on 14-7-2008 by pieman]



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 03:55 AM
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If I may. I hear what you are saying about the insecurity and I would have to agree with you that the conditioning that Americans and the other Industrialized nations have been under for the last century has no doubt fostered all of these things though Advertising and Pharmaceuticals, but more so through the education system. I can't speak for applebiter, but I don't think it's a matter of people leading (though there is a shortage) as it is of people accepting these Ideas. No one, most assuredly, insecure phobic people, want to believe on top of every other thing, that they would be lied to by the ones they have to pay through the nose to, in taxes, gasoline, groceries, housing, on and on, that these very ones will flush them. As with all things, I believe, the best education, is experience. Many people don't want to see. Ignorance is bliss..they say. My folks are a perfect example. My father is a Vietnam war vet. I've been to Vietnam with him in 97. I was only 24 at the time, but it was the first time my shell got tapped. I saw reality and he did too. He made friends on that trip that he literally fought against with whom he has been back to see 4 Times between 97-08. While his views have changed on the people and the country, the war has not. I tried to bring to his attention The Gulf of Tonkin. He will not hear it, even with the government admitting it. 9/11...he wanted to fight me. I wanted him to see the truth, but some are not ready for it. I was pissed, cause I had to suffer his post traumatic stress growing up, that he just got treated for last year. It was then I realized, people have to come to these things when they are ready. There will be people to answer questions when the time comes. Peace



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 03:56 AM
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Dude.... I commend your bravery and thought filled style of wording, Applebiter!!!

Hard disclosure is much more than aliens. It is literally EVERYTHING!

It's amazing to know that I am not the only one who knows I'm God wearing a mask! I knew I wasn't crazy.

People will look at you and I and the people who know as well like we are crazy until it hits them like a flood one day when they find their thoughts drifting, and then all the sudden, like being shot through singularity and everything in existence, and seeing all of it all over again, you realize the "ugly truth" as some so frightened and naively would put it... and you just know it's true, because you REMEMBER.

We are ALL one consciousness. I created all of this. I and I created all of this, to quote the rasta! (Meaning we are all the creator God. We are all Jesus. We are all our Lord and savior.)

Thank you, for you are I, and I am you, and we are NOT doomed... because that is impossible.

Heaven is already here. We've just gotta dig it up again.

Preach, my brother! Amen, I see the light!

Peace.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 04:02 AM
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Your questions made me think of an information theorist name Lyotard;


However, the perspective I have outlined above is not as simple as I have made it appear. For the merchantilisation of knowledge is bound to affect the privilege the nation-states have enjoyed, and still enjoy, with respect to the production and distribution of learning. The notion that learning falls within the purview of the State, as the brain or mind of society, will become more and more outdated with the increasing strength of the opposing principle, according to which society exists and progresses only if the messages circulating within it are rich in information and easy to decode. The ideology of communicational "transparency," which goes hand in hand with the commercialisation of knowledge, will begin to perceive the State as a factor of opacity and "noise." It is from this point of view that the problem of the relationship between economic and State powers threatens to arise with a new urgency.

Already in the last few decades, economic powers have reached the point of imperilling the stability of the state through new forms of the circulation of capital that go by the generic name of multi-national corporations. These new forms of circulation imply that investment decisions have, at least in part, passed beyond the control of the nation-states." The question threatens to become even more thorny with the development of computer technology and telematics. Suppose, for example, that a firm such as IBM is authorised to occupy a belt in the earth's orbital field and launch communications satellites or satellites housing data banks. Who will have access to them? Who will determine which channels or data are forbidden? The State? Or will the State simply be one user among others? New legal issues will be raised, and with them the question: "who will know?"


from www.egs.edu...

I don't pretend to understand it all, or to understand how these ideas relate exactly to your question of "why not share enlightenment, why codes and cues"?

My suspicion is that the agency who leaves the breadcrumbs is none other than God. He can speak through the words of fools, even though the fools may not know what they say. It's an exchange, as described in more mundane terms in the extract above. The "unifying consciousness" I'm talking about is talking to itself through us. We can't know the true value of what we're giving, in my opinion.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 04:24 AM
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Hmmm...interesting.

Have you ever heard of a book called God's Debris?

It's written by Scott Adams, the guy who invented Dilbert - but the premise behind the book is I think totally mind-blowing-brilliant:

Basically (if you don't mind spoilers) it goes like this -

Let's say you're God. You're omnipotent and you can do anything you want. But this is a paradox because it means the one thing you can't do is die! So you obsess over this for a while and eventually you decide to blow yourself up.

Enter the Big Bang.

Everything afterward - the Universe, the stars, the stardust that eventually settles on the planets and forms life, the life that evolves and begins asking questions about where it came from and why it's here IS GOD RECONSTRUCTING ITSELF, becoming aware of it's own existence - the "Universal Consciousness" re-awakening basically.

Hence 'God's Debris'.

Your breadcrumbs comment made me think of that



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by pieman
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this thread is even worse than the other two threads, mind scientists
. and the old zionists are involved, there's a shock. you're being pressured so you can't give out any more information, oh gosh, is it the men in black, are they coming to get you?

wonder if there is a pattern here, multiple threads, facts with tons of spin attached, unwilling to reply to critics, no links, no documentation, no background and suggestions that "they" are trying to stop you from getting the truth out.
same crap, different day.
[edit on 14-7-2008 by pieman]


All you need is love...Remember...Don't worry pieman...the earth is warm and waiting to "turn over" a new leaf with you. Peace



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 04:36 AM
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Well if we are God, then who is the devil?

That's what people will ask. If you've read your Bible, which eh I skimmed over once in a while, you will be aware that Satan/Lucifer/Demonic forces "fell" from God's grace.

I have a faint memory of something, along with everything else. At some point, some creation of the God Mind decided "Hey, what if I don't WANT to be part of God anymore? What if I want to be my SELF???"

Thus we have the creation of ego. The devil. God allowed this to happen, because God made this happen. God made all of creation begin to forget that they were God, because the simple fact is....and everyone needs to know this because it IS the lesson of every day.... that you may THINK and you may WANT different from Godmind, but no matter WHAT you do, you ARE Godmind regardless, and you will inevitably get what you really want, which is to be in bliss. Stop fighting it, and existence becomes so easy and carefree, because you will never die. You are God. You will just create something else and exist again as something else.

I'm still struggling with this concept, because I love my mother so much and I will be pretty sad to see her go... but she is the eventual me, and I try to comfort myself and everyone else in that fact, but sometimes it's hard to break your mind of the "realness" of it all.

Sometimes, I don't want to be God.

I think that sums up creation in a nutshell.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 04:52 AM
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Another point I should make to build upon my last post is this:

Suppose these "elite" are enlightened to the God Mind. Would God WANT all of creation to rejoin he/she/it? See I'm not sure if we're returning to the Source, or just becoming aware of it. If it is return to source, there lies a problem there.

Once we return, we will literally all be ONE. Only a singular consciousness in existence, always dreaming, but never quite having a narrow enough gullet to be satisfied.

In order for creation to exist, there needs to be duality. There NEEDS to be suppression of knowledge.

I'll just go ahead and say it. Being God isn't like some great awesome thing. It's lonely. There's just you and your dreams.

Forgetting that you are dreaming is the only way to enjoy existence... thus those who are seeking to make you forget your true power over your own dream.

We need each other, though. More than anything, humanity needs to reunite, because we don't know what we're bombing ourselves back to. We need at least one united awareness that this singularity does exist. Just the experience. I don't know if Christ Consciousness would be what people need. I don't know if death of all ego is what God wants. "He" just wants us to know that we are him, but we'd better not ruin this experience because it is all we have. We only have each other. Becoming God will not make us happy, because we will be lonely. Becoming purely materialistic and void of God within ourselves will not make us happy, because we will destroy ourselves. We need to be somewhere in the middle.



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[edit on 14-7-2008 by dunwichwitch]



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 04:53 AM
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Guess who made the devil? Thoughts are seeds that become deeds.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
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Guess who made the devil? Thoughts are seeds that become deeds.



Oh believe me, I know exactly what you are saying.

Man... I feel like ! dumb myself down just in order to stay sane.

Maybe this is why there is such resistance. People unconsciously know, but they don't know what the next move is because they are unconsciously making it. They just don't wanna unconsciously make the mistake of ending up back where they started from. Layers upon layers upon layers upon layers streching inward into infinity, and there are so many reasons for our individual behavior....

I don't mean to offend. This is not the intention, but sometimes, my ego gets worried that it won't be able to enjoy the fruits anymore once it's eaten too many.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Another point I should make to build upon my last post is this:

Suppose these "elite" are enlightened to the God Mind. Would God WANT all of creation to rejoin he/she/it? See I'm not sure if we're returning to the Source, or just becoming aware of it. If it is return to source, there lies a problem there.

Onve we return, we will literally all be ONE. Only a singular consciousness in existence, always dreaming, but never quite having a narrow enough gullet to be satisfied.

In order for creation to exist, there needs to be duality. There NEEDS to be suppression of knowledge.

I'll just go ahead and say it. Being God isn't like some great awesome thing. It's lonely. There's just you and your dreams.

Forgetting that you are dreaming is the only way to enjoy existence... thus those who are seeking to make you forget your true power over your own dream.

We meed each other, though. More than anything, humanity needs to reunite, because we don't know what we're bombing ourselves back to. We need at least one united awareness that this singularity does exist. Just the experience. I don't know if Christ Consciousness would be what people need. I don't know if death of all ego is what God wants. "He" just wants us to know that we are him, but we'd better not ruin this experience because it is all we have. We only have each other. Becoming God will not make us happy. Becoming purely materialistic and void of God within ourselves will not make us happy, because we will destroy ourselves. We need to be somewhere in the middle.
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I have to preface you with me having a christian background, although I can tell you that I have seen the scriptures from a much different view, since being rapped on by the holy one and told by his angel where to shove my rightousness (which was my EGO). I believe, that the body is the life. In otherwords, be fruitfull and multiply. The addage of building the house on a good foundation, is an illustration, of building the family on good and healthy conduct. Nicodemus (a pharasiee) came to Jesus by night, to ask him. "What must one do to enter the kingdom of heaven", "Jesus replied, "You must be born again". The old man said, How is it possible being a senior to reenter into our mothers womb and be born a second time?" He replyed, "You are the teacher of all He will rule as God and you know not these things? "How will I tell you of heavenly things, If you don't understand earthly things" "That which is of flesh is flesh, but that which is spirit is spirit" spirit is inside, flesh is outside. Spirit goes forward in offspring, flesh dies. This is why you shall have new name that only you will know. You name your child. You are more than you as many are with you laboring. Regeneration is a process that takes rest. While you sleep these many past and future repair you. Work never stops. You are a kingdom and this is your reign over the kingdom. It always comes time to pass that on to the next generation. I am not God, but I am part of him so we are to love one another, because not is persecuting yourself doublefold, once in once out. Giggity giggity Boomerang. Peace
sorry for no coherence gotta get to sleep



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 05:31 AM
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Hello friend, I will share this with you, or perhaps I will allow you to share it with yourself, or maybe you are sharing it with me, or possibly you are allowing me to share it with myself; we can share it.

a thousand days of decayed radiance
i am the saboteur of my own concussive frustration
fruitless minutia distribution
at the hands of the master sabre engraver
each blade bade farewell
to arms each soldier bolder than the last
their past a swift vivid image
blood cried from the eyes of a harmonic madonna
their lives given in a vision of freedom
because how can one mans government let that mans life
impede them?
impede freedom.
but to master one mans freedom
you must first defeat it
impeded
why must i spend my daze in this decayed cadence of enslaved radiance
already fallen victim to a precocious self-imposed hypnosis
i leave my catalyst where the rabble sits
and go back to playing checkers



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 08:12 AM
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Here's a personal experience that the OP could mull over. Last year I was trying to remote view Mars. I can do it, I know I can. I tried really hard, but after a few weeks drew a complete blank. No impressions, no revelations, no funny dreams. I stopped.
Sometime later, a week or two, I had a very vivid dream with ET in it. But it was just a dream, and that was that.
Then the poltergeist showed up. Pretty weird, but not scary. Mostly puzzling. After a few incidents and one funny one it disappeared, and has not returned. That's the way things go around here sometimes. --------------PC



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 08:57 AM
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Applebiter,

Whether you are right or wrong, or the threat is real or imagined, I think you should be commended for putting your thoughts out there for us to read.

It's obvious you have worked very hard on this and it's very important to you.

Anyway, no matter what people think of your conclusions it's apparent that you bared your soul and it is appreciated.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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dunwichwitch, I don`t see it as returning to the source, it`s more being aware of it. We are not ready to rejoin the source spiritually, not yet, we have a long way to go. If we were to become aware of who and what we trully are, we could grow by leaps and bounds. And yes, believe it or not, the source wants ALL to be aware and grow, not just a chosen few. There are many of a higher nature that have returned and are returning at this time to "help" open the eyes of those who need the guidance. But, there are many out there that it will take much more to awaken them then a little prodding, something more substantial.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 09:45 AM
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This dance, the dance of a story which began in time immemorial, is in its final chapter. The ending we will all see, and what a spectacular ending it will be. The end of the Mind, back to infinity from whence we came. Answers to all questions, to answer the question of all. We're all here, where we need to be.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 09:57 AM
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In gigantic operations, overwhelming complexity is usually controlled by indepency and liability. If time is not an important factor, such a resolution nearly always works. Just "cells" working towards a common target, never to know how all their work is in reality tying the knot. Knots can be good and bad, but anyway..


What if you are missing some premise which in turn chaneges context of everything? Nevermind that, I don't want to argue with you, there is no purpose in that. I know a glimpse about things to come, and its enough. Although those little pieces may cause a totally different understanding for me, I have come to believe that human sub-conscious mind is one of the most important factors because there is no other place in where greater potential is stored in. That's why I mentioned jung to you, but I never expected anything like what you actually wrote.

How am I supposed to know what is true and what is not? Clarity in overwhelmingly complex systems is one of those things that does make people crazy, or at least when compared to some average who is nearly blind anyway..

Nevermind, I don't know what to say.



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