I think CERN is lying., page 1

reply to post by Osiris1953

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I'm not talking about specifications here. What if their machine breaks while they are in the middle of analyzing a black-hole?

reply to post by kinglizard

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I hope they're right then, because, if they aren't, then we're all in big trouble.

reply to post by Frankidealist35

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Ignorance isn't bad, it just means you don't know, which is fine. Just don't accuse them of lying yet. Try this: en.wikipedia.org... Physicists appear to agree that it's completely, or almost completely, safe.

reply to post by evolutionz

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They're too small and weak to do anything. Read into Hawking Radiation.

Fact is scientists dont know much about black holes in all reality.

2007- Astronomers have discovered a black hole (M33 X-7)massively larger than current physics theories say is possible, weighing in at an estimated 16 stellar systems.

Larger than thought possible

ScienceDaily (May 30, 2007) — Two merging black holes can generate gravitational waves so powerful that the merged hole shoots out of its host galaxy at a speed of up to 2,500 miles per second, according to a new simulation.

Black holes on the loose

A jet from a black hole at the center of a galaxy strikes the edge of another galaxy. This is the first time such an interaction has been found. The jet impacts the companion galaxy at its edge and is then disrupted and deflected, much like how a stream of water from a hose will splay out after hitting a wall at an angle.

Death Star Black Hole

The early discovery of a black hole inside a globular star cluster by a team using the European Space Agency's XMM-Newton satellite has astonished astronomers
(i like this part of the story)
Scientists had doubted that black holes could still exist in globular clusters as they are some of the oldest structures in the universe (over 12 thousand million years old), and so gravitational forces would have ejected any black holes thousands of million years ago.

Discovery astonishes Scientists

seems scientists dont always know what they think they know.

The Wikipedia article Safety of the Large Hadron Collider now contains a summary of some of the basic safety arguments of the organized safety opposition, after a long battle with CERN supporters to fight censorship of these concerns.

The concerns are not just from legal action and from what is raised in the media as the article still tends to imply. The safety concerns are lead by world recognized, credible scientists. Dr. Otto Rossler is an eminent award winning professor of theoretical sciences and a significant contributor to Chaos Theory. Professor Rossler's research indicates that safety has not been reasonably proven, and danger is very plausible.

Published peer reviewed papers from science professors that question one of the of the primary safety arguments (Hawking Radiation) are still censored from the article. A 2004 Delphi study showing up to 50% doubt among physicists polled is still censored from the article. (Physicists do have reasonable doubt about Hawking Radiation, contrary to what the article implies).

From the Wikipedia article Safety of the Large Hadron Collider:

Concerns raised in the media

Nuclear physicist Walter L. Wagner has argued that if Micro black holes are produced at the LHC, they might not decay as predicted by CERN, since Hawking radiation is not an experimentally-tested or naturally observed phenomenon and might not exist.[8][22]

Professor Otto Rössler has stated that micro black holes created in the LHC would grow exponentially, accreting the Earth in 50 months to 50 years, and he has sought scientific debate on his research[23] before the LHC particle collisions begin.[24]

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A number of scientists are very concerned, and papers challenging safety arguments related to neutron stars and cosmic rays are currently in progress.

Learn more at LHCFacts.org or LHCDefense.org

reply to post by Xilvius

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Thanks for that.

But a queston .......the benificial outcome of all this is what?

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