MadS,

Yes, been to the site...

The fact is, and it's not a to hard one to understand...

It is MORE effective to destroy your target, whatever it may be with the LEAST amount of shot's as possible. Not the most. That is way to costly in a wartime situation. It is a gun, a weapon. I know it serves other application's, but when used as a weapon for war it is not efficient.

Why am I fixated on this one weapon? Well... Seem's to me, that this is the one discussed in here. The reason why FM was awarded the moron award... Have you forgotten that, or am I wrong to discuss this here?

BTW, it is a logical argument... Maybe you just can't get past your own opinion to see that...


William,

I don't see how effective it would be shooting down a cruise missle... We have missle's that travel faster then bullet's...Why not use those instead? Also, we're developing laser weapon's for this purpose as well. They are alot more efficient, in one shot than a million shot's....

Kano,

"I have no idea where you got the idea this was a sniper weapon from" ...

I never said it was a sniper weapon...or thought it. I was using the whole sniper thing as an example...

My whole reason for posting, was because I aggree with FM, that this weapon serve's no usefull military application. It doesn't take a great mind to realize, if your gonna destroy something, destroy with the least amount of ammo....

Since it seems that Kano's lead isn't being followed...

Any new posts to this thread should remain on topic to the award commentary. Follow-up posts on the merrits of metal storm (or any other such topic drift) within this thread will be removed.

Think before you post, and post on-topic.

congrats FM now you must win the ATS award making you the most awarded poster in the history of ATS

May be we can do a Moron Award for each topics ?

Like this, we'll have more upset/anger peoples !

Really, we'll have great moments. Many users ( but I bet that we'll not see a mod who'll have this award ) will laugh from awarded users, until they are not themselves awarded of course.

When someone don't understand, we don't have to laugh from him. We have to help him to understand.

This topic is NOT charitable and do NOT help ATS. It help only to fright peoples to do post on the sciences forum.

Calling someone " a moron " in a post is one thing. Awarding him with a moron award, in the front of everybody, is another one.

I have an idea for the next " Moron Award " :

" Who's the poster who has the most weakest english "

Do not hesitate, VOTE FOR ME. I'll have this award !

Kano, shame on you for this topic !!!!!

You tryed some weeks ago to do it, but you failed. Your first " Moron Award " topic have been closed for " unknowns reasons ". But now, you win. You have your topic. Are feeling more great and happy ? Who's your next target ? Me ? Someone else ? Bha, I'm not worry. It's so easy to find a new little ugly duck.


[Edited on 8-1-2003 by ultra_phoenix]

I think maybe you should abandon this idea.
I don't agree with a lot of the crap freemason spouts, and I have no problem telling him when he's spouting it.

But this isn't "a bit of fun" its public humiliation, and seems to epresent some consensus of opinion that simply doesn't exist, message boards are about diversity of thought, and whilst this was funny it was also upsetting and more than a little malicious.

Frankly if I'd put this "award" up I'd be feeling a little ashamed of myself for needlessly hindering somones enjoyment / education rather than promoting it.

I think this, and any other so called "awards" should be remove.

(for the record that includes the "way above top secret award" it reaks of a false sense of superiority and an over developed sense of self importance on the part of the moderators who are not, as some people seem to think, intelectual gurus, they are web janitors / garbage men, and whilst they deserve thanks for taking on that responsibility, should be treated as janitors / garbage men. Not pillars of academia)

I agree with the dude above. One of the best ways to learn anything is by making mistakes, in which case, if they have you could at least explain to them why it is a mistake - without being patronising etc... just the facts. If FM has questionable stories as facts from Vietnam then it should be up to him to prove them - not for him to say that you need to research them. Surely, the whole point of the board is to bring your opinions and KNOWLEDGE to the board and encourage others to read over that knowledge too by providing references so they can give an informed opinion.

If they are being abusive to other posters, simply do as that on other areas in this forum and either remove the posts and warn them or ban them.

Ridiculing them in public deters ppl and sets a bad atmosphere on the board. Perhaps the intention was to get ppl to think more before they post but I also think that it may backfire on you as ppl become afraid of making mistakes - and lets face it we all do even with the best of care - in public and then ridiculed for it.

If we're honest that's why you have a monthly award for the best contributor - so that ppl post to the board and it doesn't die like so many others or traffic just drops down so that its just guys talking amongst yourselves. It keeps the board current and provides other angles for debate besides the moderators.

I thought moderators were supposed to be impartial and simply deal with abusive posters and administrate the board as needed - not squashing ppl in this manner?

It's about time someone with common sense posted!

Lupe,

Never even thought of the janitor/garbage men analogy...but it's so true! That's exactly what they are. Although the one's here are the same as the one's IRL that decide to throw trash around and make a mess while trying to pick it up.

Phiat,

Well said.

Next time bold and make this part BIGGER!

" I thought moderators were supposed to be impartial and simply deal with abusive posters and administrate the board as needed - not squashing ppl in this manner? "

I don't have any problems with explaining to someone how something works etc. It's when they still don't accept the facts and continue to spout made up bull#.
In this case if you have a look at FM's posts on the thread, he is deserving of the award.
Hopefully the threat of recieving this award, will make people do a bit more research before posting.

Mad,

I doubt it. This award is here for nothing more than humiliating someone who doesn't know as much. It's a childish thing for childish idiot's who get the pleasure out of humiliating other's. If I were the webmaster, most of the mod's wouldn't be here and people like you who get kick's out of childish game's...GONE! It's not needed by anyone.

sorry are you a physicist specialising in weapon design?
no hang on, I post in the religion forum presumably I'm a priest or at least a cleric.

People who bang on spouting b0llox like Truth for example are massively annoying but they have a right to do it and, unless we're experts in the field we're discussing we really don't have the right to tell them their research is cack because

a) we don't know what research they've done and
b) we don't know how acurate our own research is, I mean go onto a russian language site and tell me how good their grammer is (presuming you don't speak russian)

all this award has done is upset a contributor, it hasn't detered other idiots coming here, and if its intention is to make people warey of what they post lest they get one I think you'll find that the amount of bull# posted here isn't going down.

this award was put here for one simple reason. somone wanted to feel big and clever by pointing a finger at another person and shouting "DUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH!!!"
because they had the power to do so.

its juvenile, frankly its playground bullying, and I think somone owes freemason an apology, no matter how much of a twit I think he is.

[Edited on 8-1-2003 by Lupe_101]

Lupe,

good point! Whish I though of posting that...

Ok, opinions noted, and ignored.

(except UP's who made me chuckle a little).

A moron award is needed, and more than enough warning has been given.

Incidentally UP, the first moron award post was locked by me, because as it was set to stay at the top of the list, it would fill up with stupid posts if left unlocked. You'll also notice that its more than a month old, so plenty of time for all posters to have read it.

Warning has been given, the whole idea is to make people think more before they post in at least this forum, if no other.

So the Award will stay, whine all you like, read the thread again, FreeMason was ridiculing and attacking others in the thread, and his reasoning was completely failed and absolutely untrue. You surely dont want to allow such bull# to continue?

Lets see, running with the garbage men analogy. Consider the moron award as a fine, for posting garbage in this forum, you are not allowed to throw your litter on the street, and you are not allowed to post crap in this forum.

Kano,

May I suggest learning some manner's, and you place as a mod? It's not YOUR right as a mod to humiliate other's. It IS your job to maintain order. As I said, if you can't handle YOUR JOB, then quit. Quit acting like a damn child, it doesn't make you look better than us.

A friend reminded me of a quote the other day which just came to mind.

"Treat a man as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a man as he could be, and he will become what he should be." Ralph Waldo Emerson

Maybe I have been too harsh.......maybe.

good quote, couldn't agree more.

see I don't think theres anything wrong with calling a spade a spade, I mean if you think somones being a twonk, tell em they're a twonk, plenty of people have told me I'm one and I've told plenty of people they were being one, however when mods start deciding for us who's a twonk and who's not a twonk it changes the site from an open forum into a place with a political adgenda.

its fairly obvious amoung the yanks that republicans think democrats are twonks, and democrats think republicans are Twonks.

lets say most of the mods here are republicans, Kano, does this place remain an interesting forum for debate or does it become a pro republican site?

I think its the latter.

I personally see this as abuse of position and whatsmore it won't do any of the things your hoping it will, it is, as I said, just juvenile bullying, keep going if you want but its exactly the sort of behaviour that will slowly get rid of the people who want to have a serious debate and attract the sort of people who just like to bitch moan and talk bollox.

Originally posted by JamesG
Kano,

May I suggest learning some manner's, and you place as a mod? It's not YOUR right as a mod to humiliate other's. It IS your job to maintain order. As I said, if you can't handle YOUR JOB, then quit. Quit acting like a damn child, it doesn't make you look better than us.

Must I remind you that it is not up to you to determine what task moderators are to accomplish? Nor is it your role to establish if any given moderator is doing their job appropriately. By no slight means are you remotely connected to establishing any level of policy in Above Top Secret.

I strongly warn you to cease this currently disruptive path you are taking within threads. If you have serious issues with the staff in-place, either take them up with Simon, or begin a responsible thread on the subject in the XMB forum. Do not sully threads with your repeated attacks on forum staff.

I don't believe he's outside his right to question and chastise anyone who's actions he disagrees with, or are mods beyond reproach now?

His attitude isn't destructive in that it is prompting a serious discussion concerning the appropriateness of this award, what, did Kano just want to say "hey look that guys a moron" and expect us all just to agree with him through some false sense of self importance?

myself, and several other people here seem to believe this award is inappropriate, you don't have to remove it, you don't have to contribute to this thread and you don't have to read or respond to what we are saying (although I'd suggest that it might be a good idea, I always found it important to be in tune with the contributors) what you should NOT do is tell people they don't have a right to their own opinion on an open thread.

if you want that just give this award out in your private forum and have a good chuckle about it where other people can't disturb you, that's what its for...

Sometimes people only understand a blunt message.

absolutely.
I had a collegue who's levels of personal hygene were somewhat below par, eventually it got so bad I took him to one side and said somthing, they improved no end.

I decided to take that action rather than hanging a 40ft banner with "MIKE STINKS" written on it accross the library because in retrospect I decided that wasn't blunt, it was rude and humiliating.

William,

When those in power start to become corrupt and attack people on thier opinion's, it become's EVERYONE'S bussiness and right to say something. You can't justifibly tell me to stop attacking the staff, when they are the one's who initiated the whole oredeal by attacking someone trying to enjoy ATS and posting thier own thought's. You started it, and you can end it by growing up.