Originally posted by dbates
So you're rebuttal is that the National Anthem isn't important if someone is cooking food nearby?
No that is just the part you took out.
You still got it wrong.
A cook-out where someone sings the national anthem does not require you to place your hand over your heart. It is at your discretion. Get it now?
Please list the conditions where you feel patriotic and those where you don't feel patriotic.
What are you talking about? You are the one judging his patriotism not me. I haven't claimed anyone to be unpatriotic by any personal definitions I
The whole thing is completely subjective. I could feel patriotic right now and start singing the anthem, but does that require you to join in? Stand
up, and place your hand over your heart?
I was going by the standard U.S. code. The code suggests certain actions during certain events. This event doesn't seem to fall under that category
as far as I can tell.
Obama's ignorance of U.S. code of conduct isn't a free pass. This just shows his naivety, ignorance, and inexperience.
And is it a free pass for those NOT facing the flag as well?
That too is a part of the practice that NO ONE on stage followed. That means anyone not facing the flag at this "steak fry" is naive and unfit to
Again even if he did believe it wasn't required...according to the code...he didn't have to place his hand over his heart if he didn't want to. No
one has to put their hand over their heart during the song under those circumstances as clearly this "steak fry" was not a "patriotic and national
observance". It certainly wasn't a place where a pledge began and Obama refused to take, like the propaganda suggests. That part was a UTTER lie
that you seem not to care about.
You guys need to lighten up a bit in my opinion.
It's a friggin' cookout. You want to measure his distance from the flag and strike a notch off the patriot meter for every foot he was away from it?
Speaking of ignorance, our current President put his hand over his stomach. His guts.
I'd have rather he didn't place his hand anywhere, but I guess this just proves Bush is unfit to lead by your rules.
I'd say his actions have shown this but hey...I require a lot more than a photo to make a sweeping judgment and vehemently condemn an individual like
some do with casual rationalized ease.
I'm not that guy.
While this isn't a flag burning event I can see how the New Yorker links this to the flag burning satire.
You don't know what they were linking the flag burning to at all, do you?
I suspect it was just used as an extreme symbol of anti-American sentiment and not something Obama has done. It was simply and artistic device to
drive the point of Obama's alleged hatred of America home.
You reaching to connect all the dots for the cover and your post when you don't have them. The New Yorker claims to mock what you are posting as
fact. Saying that such claims are unsubstantiated and irrelevant. They are mocking the uptight conservatives for their outrageous lies and
Who are you or I to question anyones patriotism on weak unfounded rumors, and by what definition are we to be judged? Seems pretty flimsy and
subjective to me. Almost like trying to post propaganda and pass it off as fact without telling the whole story.
Part of my rebuttal showed him pledging the flag. How research shows the claims of his refusal to pledge are unsubstantiated, and thus ending the
whole ridiculous hoopla over a photo taken out of context.
Miss that part?
Not good and patriotic enough for you?