Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by tide88
yes but it is The Reconstuction Acts established military rule only during the reconstruction of the southern states UNTIL new governments were formed
and they accepted the 14th amendment.
Please point out where in the 14th, the President of the United States ended martial law.
You should also look more closely at how the new southern governments were formed. It was about as Democratic as Hitler telling the German people that
they could vote for anyone they liked, so long as it was a Nazi.
President Andrew Johnson stated in presidential proclaimation no 153 that "
"the insurrection which heretofore existed in the State of Texas is at an end, and is to be henceforth so regarded in that State, as in the other
States before named in which the said insurrection was proclaimed to be at an end by the aforesaid proclamation of the second day of April, one
thousand, eight hundred and sixty-six.
"And I do further proclaim that the said INSURRECTION IS AT AN END, AND THAT PEACE, ORDER, TRANQUILITY, AND CIVIL AUTHORITY NOW EXIST, IN AND
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA."
Matial Law cannot exist where there is civil authoriy or at times of peace. This ends the presidents martial law. Now during the reconstuction acts
congress did authorize martial law however it was just for the confederate states during reconstution. President Johnson was against this and
actually vetoed the bill www.digitalhistory.uh.edu...
however congress voted and overturned his veto
establishing the martial rule in those states. It does not say that martial law would end in the 14th amendment nor do I claim it does. I will quote
"The Joint Committee then formulated the 14th Amendment to the Constitution in order to get around the apparent unconstitutionality of the Civil
Rights Bill. It passed Congress on the 13th of June and was submitted to the states for ratification. The Amendment defined American citizenship and
included Afro-Americans. It provided Federal protection to freedmen whose rights could not now be limited by state governments. Ratification was
denied by most of the southern states but was made a requirement for readmission into the Union. Tennessee accepted the amendment but the other
southern states awaited the upcoming congressional elections and possibly a more sympathetic congress.
Johnson’s republicans captured a two-thirds majority in both houses, giving the Republican Radicals control over Reconstruction. This was
Johnson’s party, but these radicals were much more antagonistic towards the South than he. On March 2, 1867, Congress passed the First
Reconstruction Act over Johnson’s veto. Martial law was declared over the former confederate states, which were divided into five regions.
The new requirements for states to be re-admitted to the Union were ratification of the 14th amendment and universal suffrage guaranteeing that
Afro-Americans would be given the right and opportunity to vote. In the Omnibus Act, June 22-25, 1868, seven states met the requirements and were
readmitted to the Union. These were Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina. Georgia soon returned to
military rule when all of the Afro-American representatives were dismissed from the state legislature. It was allowed to return to self-rule only when
the state ratified the Fifteenth Amendment, guaranteeing equality for the freed slaves, and allowed the Afro-Americans to return to the house.
You state this was Hitler Like. How so. These people wanted to give right to minorities. Yes they were trying to force them into signing the bill
however it was for the greater good for humanity. I do not see how hitler taken away freedoms and killing Jews is anything like trying to give
african americans freedoms and voting rights. Regardless they signed the fourteenth amenment and were reinstated to the Union, which ended the
martial rule they were under per congress statement. Another way to further prove matial law was no longer is in the above statement "Georgia soon
returned to military rule when all of the Afro-American representatives were dismissed from the state legislature.
See this statement alone proves
matial law was ended in those states previously mentioned (the confederate states) Because it clearly states that Georgia RETURNED TO MARTIAL
. You can not return to something if it already exists or has left. You wouldnt return to it if you are already there. And again it doesnt
matter how they were formed. They were formed. And any argument that have been made about the 14th amendement have been shot down by the supreme
court. And seeing the Supreme Court is in charge of interpreting the highest power in the land "the constitution" it was all considered
So for the people who dont like it, it is just too bad. Regarless how
much you dislike how it happened it happened. And it happened legally. Now you can argue how you think it was unconstitutional or whatever how ever
as far as I know you are not a Supreme Court member. And the fact of the matter is your whole argument( and signiture thread) is based on the fact
that we are under Martial law and have been ever since 1863. I know how hard it is to change ones mind, especially when they were positive they were
right, as you said before " If one cannot change their opinion based on new information, then they are truly lost in that quest." Well the ball is
in your court. Because the info I have provided clearly states that martial law was ended, first by the president who by declaring peace and the
restoration of civil authority. Then after martial law was declared for reconstruction for the confederate states it was ended when those confederate
states we readmitted to the union.