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If we are to change/defeat the NWO in the way in which Icke describes, how must it be done?

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posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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If we are to change/defeat the NWO in the way in which Icke describes, how must it be done?


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This is David Icke's speech to the constituents of Haltemprice and Howden about the Big Brother election, forced by the resignation of David Davis, Member of Parliament. David is not intending to win, he is intending to get exposure of the important information that would never be revealed to British citizens. Remember that the UK is part of the EEC, or EU, and the model of centralized decision making in Brussels for the Union, is a model that would be adopted by the proposed North America Union between Canada, the US and Mexico. As David says, start joining the dots.
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posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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I have made this comment after watching 'David Icke's: Big Brother, the Big Picture (NEW 3h Video connecting the dots). If we are to change/defeat the NWO in the way in which Icke describes, how must it be done? I welcome any opinion positive or negative as this is how a group conciousness may progress.


I follow Icke's work closely (but not as close as some). As with all things I believe it is best to approach them with an open mind until such time as they can be proved incorrect. Indeed, even in this situation this apparent untruth can prove useful in reading between the lines in the search of a greater or more shielded truth.

In this video, I believe Icke holds back from some of his more colourful theories to (in my opinion) put across a more imminent danger. If you believe the subject matter of this film to be true (which I do) then the question is how do we deal with it? Something usually happens at this point, as it does with Icke's video, the commentary stops and the commentator offers no explanation for future action. I have heard some flimsy suggestions about potential routes for action but nothing I have thought was feasible in terms of puuting a stop to this horrifying process. For example, Icke suggests that if everyone puts there bins out it will cause the government to drop the law. I understand that Icke is trying to describe the power of the people as a whole and its ability to sculpt it's future but sadly this is as far as many commentators go.

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posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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People need to drop fear, embrace love of themselves and others and just ignore any state measure that is obviously elitist and against their interest. A few thousand people are powerless against millions, time would dismantle this NWO thingy. Drop fear for love, pass the message. It really is that simple, because the NWO thingy counts on us to enslave ourselves, it's the only way fascism works. There might be casualities along the way, but either way that's what will happen and everyone dies, what matters is how you live.

And once people have abandoned fear and empowered themselveswe can get to the important task that is getting the wealth back from the elitist robber barons and clean up shop, shop being earth.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Which version of David Icke?

The egoic version which is the same as that which he protest?

Or the part in him that spoke the truth that is in all of us when he wrote his book, Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion

Seeing that everything is Illusion - who cares - lets get the love on.

Seriously though, people stay in the stories even after they see the truth because "drama" is fun.


Peace

dAlen



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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But what has Icke actually done to change anything? All he seems to have done is made a load of money from books, talks and videos and dvds. I mean, it's all very well 'highlighting issues' but what then? These people have an audience they all they do is repeat themselves and add a few things every couple of years in a new book or whatever.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:01 PM
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He offers a solution which is basically what I modelled my post above on, so he does give an objective answer, and besides that he is running for a public position to highlight the issue, for a 50 something male reamed with arthritis he does plenty.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:40 PM
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The very fact is that NWO is establishing itself in your mind should logically continue to one reason - build your own order in your mind and be free.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:00 AM
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To be honest, I could not agree with you more, this appears to be exactly the way to dismantle the system – from the inside- by taking away the very power they use to control us – our fear. Indeed, this argument may go a lot further and have effects on many levels, not just the political/sociological.

But, sticking to the initial query there are certai things that concern me about this approach. Lets say that we do destabilise/remove the system, what comes next, a violent approach would come with it’s own difficulties but even executed in a peaceful manner I can foresee these issues.

1. When the top down realist structure is removed, what could be used to replace it also avoiding the danger of the same system being reintroduced under a different name?

2. Who or what would replace the system?



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:27 AM
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Interesting, are you saying that Icke has somehow changed over the years? I for one have noticed a change in the tone of his dialogue.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:33 AM
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I do agree with you but I think if you consider the difficulties that Icke has had to overcome to spread the information he uncovers, his input has been more than adequate.

I think what I am trying to get at is. Lets say that we have established that a removal of fear in society and a focus on what is really an issue to society as a whole e.g healthy food for everyone, decent health service would slowly erode the current status quo as we become more self sufficient, then what? Also, who would provide the catalyst to actually get this started, a hub or focus for information? Is this the way in which it should be done?



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:35 AM
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Interesting point but if you are suggesting that I seal myself off from the world and ignore everything that my senses are telling me, i do not think that this is something I can do. I know enough people doing this already.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:38 AM
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Well... all that would be a matter for localized debate I suppose. My personal belief is we could go with minimal change, because I think we just need a few localized changes to make society work:

1) Fair distribution of wealth in the corporate structure, ie, no more parasite businessmen class, to be replaced with well paid managers that are accountable to the workforce. I don't dispute inequality of wages and that some positions are key and more important than others, nor do I go against supply and demand even for work, but I do think 200m bonuses while the company sinks is a little extreme, so corporations need balance. With this idea comes also a shift in working hours, to lower hours and higher pay jobs, so unemployment is reduced. Instead of viewing people as competition, people in profitable sectors could work less and assimilate more workers, because that would strengthen the middle class and with it society, while reducing criminality and vagrency.

2) Downsizing of government and military, gradually, as tensions die down. Ideally the military would be replaced with some sort of civil defense force in the long term, dedicated to defense within borders and possibly interfaced with police, fire and ambulance departments, so that they save lives instead of taking lives.

3) Government scaled down to local administration, we don't need lumbering burocracies crashing into each other and being manipulated by elites.

4) Redifinition of globalism, instead of a huge market where jobs are shuffled about by elites and people get stripped of their local cultures in the interests of homogeneization, we have a one world information infrastructure and commerce with interacting but autonomous local populations and a thriving tourism market.

5) Family wealth cap anywhere between 100 million and a billion dollar region. Why? So people can be wealthy enough to have a millionaire lifestyle but not wealthy enough to have macroeconomic relevance and impose selfish agendas onto group infrastructure and policy.

These are just a few loose ideas, out of the thousands of things that could be done, but the core principle is humanity needs to seek balance, not a revolution, but an evolution to a stable socioeconomic and political framework that is not hijacked by sociopaths and is not based on negatives, like competition, scarcity and the bottom line, but that actually has a goal which is to make our lives better. The core problem with modern society is that it's objectives have been hijacked, it exists to make our lives easier, not engulf us in chaos.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:44 AM
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have you ever noticed people at work always use the excuse its part of my job then they do really sh@tty things to one another

i think that has to change you cant do crappy things to people because they say you should people just have to standup for what they believe in

they shouldnt let stupid managers run there life

i think we should work to make a living not live to work



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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You are right, the sheer volume of change that would need to be undertaken is staggering and I think this is one of the most worrying things about this discussion.

I think the points you make are good ones and there is one I would like to continue, Money.

I have heard many discussions over the necessity of moving form a money based system to one centered around 'time' based currency, where the time or skills that you use equate to an amount of currency which will then be used to trade for other items. Already I can see some problems with this, how much will things be worth? can some people earn considerably more than others and just start the process off again? I think answers to this would lie in a capping as you mentioned of the amount that peopel can earn, though rather than being capped on simply not having enough 'time' it would rather be capped when necessity was met.

This would result in a world that was not focused on commercialism in any way, rather saw that people had what they 'need' and not much else. Of course there must be an allowance for luxuries etc. but this is part of the small print.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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I think this is one of the major issues with our current system (and ultimately of human nature). We (usually when desparate) will sell our own grand mothers to survive, though surely this reaction is not surprising it is certainly upsetting.

When you see the demise of the rain forests, you can see the problem in action.

In a nutshell, money and the the perceived superiority that it provides are far to a seductive mix for most people and result in terrible injustices that damage everyone. We as a people must remove the ability of money to polarise society, this will bring people together, reduce/eradicate the class divide and help people to focus on what is really important in this world.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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Dismantle the system? Build our own order of love? Run by stupid managers? I CANNOT believe that you fun loving hippies have taken time to respond to such blind ideals! Why can't you people just accept the fact that civilisation as it is today has taken thousands of years to develop. Oh, let' put a few stupid managers in charge! Whatever! You people just cant seem to adapt to modern day ideals, and use these theories to try reconcile with your own failures in society - not to mention life in general! I'm glad to have stumbled blindly upon this forum. I just wish a fraction of this might hit home! That's enough of my valuable time.

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posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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Want to defeat the NWO? I dont know if this will defeat them, but this will shake them up a bit.

1) Throw out your television. Get rid of it. Completely. Without the propaganda machine, they are hindered somewhat. If they know that large chunks of the population are not listening to the rhetoric I think they will pee their pants.

2) Stop buying all unnecessary items. No new clothes unless you are down to naked, no new ipods, music, dvds, etc. The truth is nowdays the only power Americans have to influence their government is their spending. Your "vote" means nothing. Both candidates are handpicked to be what the NWO wants them to be. The greatest show of force we have today is to boycott anything we dont need, just to flex some muscle at the corporations.

3) Call for an impeachment of the entire house and senate. Why? I dont know, but it sure would be fun to watch.

4) Insist upon real hardcore campaign finance reform right this very instance. If we dont get corporate money out of the government, we are doomed.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 05:21 PM
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No no, I said the change needed is minimal. Reread my post, I know it was a bit dense and perhaps not as clear as it should have been, but the core idea is the change that needs to happen dosen't really affect many people, and targets the people doing the bad deeds.

At it's core it's giving the money to those who work, and clipping the wings of those who are the parasites flying above us. As social change goes it's easy to pull off, and we need minor economic and even political reform. The tough bit is actually changing minds, the actual physical and institutional change would be easy.



posted on Jul, 14 2008 @ 07:50 PM
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The only way to remove the powers to be is to get rid of our central banking sytem. The american revolution was sparked by our founding fathers understanding of the central banking sytem and its usery of the colonies. To bring down the so called NWO would take a understanding of the monetary theory and the implimentation of interest free curency controlled and made soley buy a government of the people.
This is a rather indepth topic so i will add some vids that help explain why we are where we are, and how to remody it.


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[edit on 14-7-2008 by Osyris]



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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Many points made.........(badly). Icke really talks a load of woof woof! And to be honest, most of you who have wasted time responding to "Cedick" do too. Dismantle the system? A world based on love? Run by bad managers? What a short sighted, blindly ignorant bunch of hippie speak! Some people seem to find solice in forums such as these to reconcile themselves to the fact that they fail in society - and probably in life generally. Civilisation today has taken thousands of years to evolve. Sure, its not perfect - but hey - lets put some peace lovng fun boys in charge instead - that'll work! Or maybe we should take down the central banking system....yeah! OR let's all grow up instead and live real lives in the world unto which we're born.
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