Nothing to Hide, Nothing to Fear, page 1
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reply posted on 13-7-2008 @ 01:30 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Grey Magic



Well if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear right? See this is my whole problem, whats a god arguement against that? I use a few as i stated earlier but it's never enough, people just think you're some kind of criminal if you don't want a chip in your arm, a camera in your home and a labotomy (note i've exaggerating for effect).


reply posted on 13-7-2008 @ 03:27 PM by Ian McLean
Of course people say they have 'nothing to hide'. But there's a difference between having 'nothing to hide' and being comfortable without the illusions of privacy or anonymity. From "The End of America", by Naomi Wolf:

We all have things we wish to keep private: a flirtation or even an affair, a struggle with alcohol, an old brush with the law. Think about all the things you have said in a phone conversation, sent to a friend in an e-mail, or discussed with your accountant that could, if available to someone who wanted to shut you up, be used or taken out of context to blackmail or smear you. Now understand that all of these things are available and can be used against you.

The USA PATRIOT Act set the stage for booksellers, librarians, and even doctors to have to turn over to the state information about Americans that had been private up until then. The American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression took a stand against this and librarians spoke out as well. (National Socialists also went after the booksellers, librarians, and doctors.)

When closed societies gather information on ordinary people's lives - when people know that their book-buying and library records are open, their sexual behavior and financial decisions are no longer private, their conversations are bugged, their class lectures are taped, their protests are photographed by police, their medical records are exposed, and that all this information can be used against them - their will to challenge the regime in power falters.



reply posted on 13-7-2008 @ 05:39 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Ian McLean



Well isn't that my whole point. When i say i have nothing to hide i mean i have nothing that is illegal in my life. Anything anyone does will always have someone else morally against it. That is my greatest worry with this idea of nothing to hide, nothing to fear. Because once someone finds something you're ashamed of, like if you're heterosexual in public but homosexual in practice, then they have control over you. That is my biggest problemw ith all of this, the fact someone who is legally innocent but just ashamed of something private could be driven to follow the actions of the person who has dirt on them.

Be very careful with this arguement is my main point. It's a term that has been burnt into the minds of so many people who didn't stop to think about it.



reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 05:18 PM by pooty
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if you think that's a little vague tell him you'd like to place a video camera in his bedroom and his bathroom.Since he has nothing to hide you can sell the vids and make a few bucks.When he decides that may be going to far give him the other.All it takes is a foothold to get something started including taking spying on information as a start to the video camera in his bedroom whether he likes it or not as a step along the way.
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