Some Americans are supporting their troops, and they should be ashamed

how about "compassion." i know for me, i was 100% adament on the fact that soldiers are evil for fighting in this war. having participated in this and the other thread pertaining to the situation, my view has changed somewhat. i am more tolerant in understanding what the soldier and their family is going through. surely a tough position to be in and not one i envy at all.

i still think they should stand up against this, but again, i am not in their position and after talking to a couple ppl who were patient w/ me and my view (LDragonFire, bigfatfurrytexan, A curious cat) and a couple others who have posted, i have since come to understand the other side's position.

i still feel that i can't say that i "support" the troops, but now i feel more compassionate to their plight and so wish to help their families back home in anyway that i can.


[edit on 15-7-2008 by justamomma]

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I think that's a fine term justamomma, and also thank you for your expressions of a desire to help those that need it. Not thanking you on behalf of anyone, just..... thanks.

Maybe I'm a product of old habits...... I'm less concerned with the specific words that the actions they embroil. I think we've all collectively managed to identify that the term "support" resonates as "approval" and "agreement" for some, while for others it means taking care of your own.

Cheers and Peace

i understand this. speaking for myself but also having grown up in the generation i have and seeing how these "vague" terms have gotten so many of us caught up in deception and submission, i am becoming more apt to be specific w/ my terms.

more than anything, i can't wait for the day when the world will wake up to see the leaders we have followed and believed for what they really are.

the fact of the matter is, there are those in my generation fighting this war and i know there intention is right. regardless of what they may have to answer for concerning "the road to hell is paved w/ good intentions," i do understand their good intentions and as a human HAVE to admit how easily we can be led down the wrong path and i, personally, am not w/out sin so much that i have the right to be casting stones.

i have been in the position of a family member whose own seemingly HAD to be called out to serve; and at that time, i was not saying "you should up and leave"...... i didn't, at the time, realize there was that option even though there is always that option. the cost, understandable so, makes us feel we have no choice; and THAT i CAN relate to.

I'm done being nice OP... You are an absolute sh*t.... U2U me and explain HOW theses brave men and women are laying down their lives for nothing! Explain how democracy and freedom in a land rife with dictatorship makes us free of oil. These people would would love nothing better that to starve there own people for the sake of their own oil. They can DROWN in it for all I care! AMERICA will learn better ways to use energy and then who's gonna be on the short end of the stick?

Yes, it is. But it is important for everyone not to feel any hate towards the troops. They are victims of lies and deception, and are only doing what most of them feel is right. A lot of them are brainwashed into believing the official story of 9/11, which is why they feel what they're doing is right, and they honestly feel that they are protecting the United States of America from future attack.

People need to understand the level of mind control that is taking place. When it comes to the media, read the headlines, but not the stories. The truth makes a lot more sense then.

[edit on 16/7/08 by NuclearPaul]

Well now.

If I piss anyone off deal with it.This thread sickens me.

As someone thats currently in the U.S. Military ( Army ) I think I need to speak my mind here.After reading some of these posts, I am extremely offended.So, because I'm in the Military I don't know any better I see. Who here has SERVED? Actually, it should be " Who here making ignorant comments about our troops has served? " But to sit their and say "

I joined because I wanted to serve my country and community. I KNEW what I was doing when I joined and always knew I could go to war. So how dare some of you act as if we are idiots or ignorant or uneducated drones.I myself as well as my brothers and sisters in the U.S. Military are NOT responsible for our Governments actions.But, to sit their and say we ( The Soldiers,Marines,Nay,Air Force,Coat Guard ) are some how responsible for the Governments actions and decisions is just disturbing and ignorant at best.And as for saying we should lay down our arms and say NO? Yeah,guess what! Not happening. I seriously doubt the terrorists and insurregents are going to do the same if we were to do that.They would just see an easy way to wipe us out and do it.

Sorry for some of the spelling but i'm really pissed right now.I enjoyed this site ( didn't always agree with it or it's posters at times ) till now.I can not and will not be apart of a site that thinks it's ok to bash the support and morale of our Armed Forces and because of this,I am thinking about deleting my account.

Next time you think a war is wrong or that we are losing or EVEN think the troops are unhappy.Then take the time to ask someone that's been deployed over seas first before you go spewing your crap.We are making good strides in Iraq and Afghanistan and a lot of good is happening.It's a shame our liberal communist media refuses to show the whole story.As like here now I see.

P.S. Support the troops or MOVE!

I'm done.
Spc Merkel
U.S. Army

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[edit on 16-7-2008 by Merkel]

I support the troops 100% but I dont support this war. When it comes down to it, it's the war that is the problem not the soldiers that HAVE to obey to their orders.

Support the troops because they are brave enough to die for protecting our country, we need an Army no doubts about it.

But we don't need this war.

[edit on 16-7-2008 by porschedrifter]

[edit on 16-7-2008 by porschedrifter]

I just want to throw this out there...If a man uses tools to build something horrible and destructive...you would hate the man not the tools, correct? Right, but without the tools how would the man be able to build it?

*Please excuse me from reffering to men and woman as tools, I mean no harm*


All i'm trying to say is that the men and women of the military, whether they are aware of it or not, are further contributing to this imperial war mongering for the benefit of king george and his cohorts.Sometimes do as you're told just don't cut it.

I'd also like to state(i've said this before)...There is no such thing as a "War on terror"...Terrorism is not something you can't go to war with...and labeling everyone that disagrees with you a terrorist and trying to kill them does not constitute a "War".

I have to admit that this kind of logic never sits well with me, but I rarely hash it out because to do so would smack of not supporting our troops...which I do.

During the REVOLUTIONARY WAR...those soldiers gave us freedom.
During the CIVIL WAR...those soldiers died to give freedom to Americans.
WWI and WWII...a moral war of sorts and then a defensive one after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Still a case could be made that our involvement in these wars directly and positively affected our long term freedoms and viability as a nation.

VIET NAM ..its hard for me to find the logic that somehow our involvement there was protecting our way of life and freedoms at home?

AFGHANISTAN...Yes, we were attacked by terrorists that were being trained and harbored there and they refused to give them up. These same terrorists hit us at home. By all means we had to go in and go in heavy. I don't think we have given Afghanistan and the Taliban/Al Quiada nearly as much attention as they deserve.

IRAQ...A UN Directive ignored...Faulty intelligence about WMDs...How does occupying and fighting an insurgancy in Iraq "give us our freedoms" here at home? If anything our freedoms have eroded under new laws like the ironically named "Patriot Act".

I respect, and yes support, our troops because most (not all) of them BELIEVE they are fighting for our country which I love. Like if your brother erroneously starts a fight in a bar and everybody pounces on him...you know he is wrong, but you love him and have to back him up regardless and try to minimize the damge he takes...but ideally you are going to get him the hell out of there as soon as possible.

the BEST analogy i seen on this and pertaining threads. i think for a lot of ppl, it is not the idea they are disagreeing with so much as the way the word "support" can and is defined.

we feel bonded to our men and women over there and bc we don't support this war, some of us want nothing more than for them to be out of there.

that is not to disrespect those who have died and been injured in the war and their intents, but rather because we do respect their value as both humans and as our citizens.

edited to add: i did not take that analogy to mean that the troops as individuals started this war and hope others don't take it to mean that as well, but can see the point of this analogy

[edit on 17-7-2008 by justamomma]

Um, being brainless?