It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Harlequin
glad to see the neo-con apologists all over this thread , deriding the source as biased or rubbish - i have noticed an increase in new neo-con members recently ; is it a full moon or something that these rabid dogs come out to play?
Originally posted by Extralien
Winning or losing a war should make no difference to the fact that crimes are/have been committed and should make no difference on the time or place of arrest and charges made.
Originally posted by Karlhungis
Now, correct me if I am wrong here... but didn't this administration deem that people who site the constitution are radical homegrown terrorists?
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."
"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
Originally posted by RRconservative
Originally posted by mental modulator
Dude RR are you under a rock? I understand you are a conservative which is fine, but these accusations are a serious matter.
On a side note RR you have said more then once that Bush is not a real conservative (neocon) - So is your allegiance purely to the red or the red, white and blue? I am an independent and your attitude is the type that is going to get me to vote for a black man! If Obama does anything at least he will marginalize the social sociopathy that seems to have infected your party!
Why would we not hold our president to a higher standard? He should be behave better then the average man, yet he behaves and dictates policy on par with a common mafia under boss.
Finally media attention does not mean there is a
lack of truth or reality.
So it's not that he is guilty it's the seriousnous of the charges? I've heard that one before. It's part of the drive-by media's tactics.
I have never said Bush is not a real conservative, maybe his dad wasn't, and McCain sure isn't, but I never referred to Bush like that.
There are alot of people out there with Bush Derangement Syndrome, and the media is all too happy to push their agenda.
So it's not that he is guilty it's the seriousness of the charges? I've heard that one before. It's part of the drive-by media's tactics.
Originally posted by Animal
Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by marg6043
When was the last time any U.S. President was charged of warcrimes?
When was the last time we had a president with the list of crimes this one holds?
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Animal
Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by marg6043
When was the last time any U.S. President was charged of warcrimes?
When was the last time we had a president with the list of crimes this one holds?
So-called "war crimes" are pretty much in the eye of the beholder. For example, the japanese (and others) might consider Truman guilty of war crimes for using the atomic bomb. The north vietnamese and their allies (here in the U.S.) might consider Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon guilty of war crimes for their part in the viet nam war. Just because you think it, doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by jam321
We want to remember because there are people that are out to destroy America because they hate what we represent. We want to remember because those People who died on 9/11 did not asked to be killed. And since you like to look at the cause and fix, tell me what is the cause and what is your solution? I don't coat anything, coating is when you prefer not to remember and act like there is really no entity out there to get us. When in reality there is danger all around. Yes, we are probably to blame for a lot of that danger that confronts us but some of it is based on a difference of ideology. They believe we should live one way and we prefer to live the American way. There is no better way. Hoorah!!!!!!
Majority wanted action taken. I will agree that people support the troops, not necessarily the war. I never said everybody was pro-war.
All I know is that after 9/11 Americans wanted the blood of those responsible. It wasn't till the anti-war thing started that people started bringing up torture and everything else.
Originally posted by WhatTheory
There are so many problems with this, it's frankly, laughable.
First of all, where is this 'secret report'? Oh right, it's secret, just like all the anonomous sources we read about here on ATS with topics like aliens eating babies and such.
Second, it's funny how this comes to light just as this dudes books is available for sale. Coincidence?? Hmmm.......
Thirdly and most importantly, most of the claims are based on interviewing prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. What do you think they are going to say? Oh, we love it here. No, they will say whatever it takes.
Double down thumbs for the story being obvious propaganda for some retard who wants to sell a book and is trying to further some sort of agenda. Sad and pathetic.
Originally posted by sos37
Originally posted by WhatTheory
There are so many problems with this, it's frankly, laughable.
First of all, where is this 'secret report'? Oh right, it's secret, just like all the anonomous sources we read about here on ATS with topics like aliens eating babies and such.
Second, it's funny how this comes to light just as this dudes books is available for sale. Coincidence?? Hmmm.......
Thirdly and most importantly, most of the claims are based on interviewing prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. What do you think they are going to say? Oh, we love it here. No, they will say whatever it takes.
Double down thumbs for the story being obvious propaganda for some retard who wants to sell a book and is trying to further some sort of agenda. Sad and pathetic.
Bingo! Your first paragraph was my exact thought when I read the external quote that started out by saying "In a secret report..." - oh boy, here we go again.
I think you nailed it, WT. This is all just a marketing scam.
Originally posted by Keyhole
reply to post by Unkle Greggo
Anybody can find evidence that can find somebody guilty of a criminal act!
They just can't prosecute or sentence anybody for their crime.
That is up to a court system to do.
Originally posted by mental modulator
So this "secret report" means that the accusations are completely false, %100 , based on the "evidence" being in a "secret report"??? That is hardly logical...
I'm just saying you guys should consider better arguments- your current argument is about the same logic as this...
The logic of a liberal who figures all the terrorist at GITMO are innocent because the charges and the accusations are "secret".
Originally posted by Unkle Greggo
Since when is the Red Cross a judiciary body capable of finding anybody guilty of anything?