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The Great Dark -Los Roques, June 2009

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posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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I'm about 2 months behind schedule because the screen play took longer than I thought,
. Casting and Filming should take place early next year and post is about 5-6 months. So I might miss some festivals because of that.

The movie is not so much for profit as it is in allowing me to get my foot in the door. But I will definitly sell it online DVD in the hopes that I might be able to recoup some of the costs. BUT and HOPEFULLY, the film will attract some following in the Indie community and award me with more..




posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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Hi Extralien, you took the words right out of my mouth on that one. eloquently said and right on the money. hmm...maybe you should be my assistant director....



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 02:31 PM
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doh! ya well post production always takes much longer than anticipated.. who knows maybe it gets put off so far you end up right on schedule for the next sundance. That would be most ideal. I think it would go over well there.


where are you going to be filming?



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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disclaimer: I propably sound like a snooty know-it-all here, sorry about that, I'm tired and just going to go into the point. I've been where manbird is now and I'd like to think I've learned a thing or two. If you want to know more PM me. Let's just call this a general talkup for everyone who wants to get their foot in the door and make The ufo movie of the century.

The teaser looks interesting. Manbird certainly has an eye for a certain kind of awe-inspiring grandness that's rare. Great work there, I certainly want to see more.

However, there are some serious work to do with some of the stuff, like the texts, they are simply horrid. Then there are some partial lapses in style in the animation, for example the swarm of small ships is awesome, then the big one a bit less so and then the firing just doesn't mach the scale and power of the rest of the scene.

But, the reason I'm saying the above is, because I see a talent and I'd like nothing better than to see you put it into a good use and keep bettering your skills and films.


Originally posted by manbird12000
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I'm about 2 months behind schedule because the screen play took longer than I thought,
. Casting and Filming should take place early next year and post is about 5-6 months. So I might miss some festivals because of that.


In my experience you can expect a lot more delays. I don't know if you've done a feature length film before, but I'm going to assume you haven't. The amount of work is astronomical. Especially if you're working with an inexperienced crew it will be like jogging on Jupiter. You will want to quit many times over and you'll want to just slap things together and say it's finished. Don't. Making a movie might be horrible, but in my opinion it's also the best thing one can do with their life.



The movie is not so much for profit as it is in allowing me to get my foot in the door. But I will definitly sell it online DVD in the hopes that I might be able to recoup some of the costs. BUT and HOPEFULLY, the film will attract some following in the Indie community and award me with more..


Don't kill your movie trying to sell it on DVD unless you have a good distributor. Otherwise no-one will ever see it. You can show it around in film festivals, but that's still getting awfully few eyeballs for the effort. We've got this thing called the Internet - if you're trying to get your feet on the door it will be your best friend, lover and milk man all rolled up into one. Even if you put the whole film on the internet you'll still have just as good a chance of getting some of the money back - but the possbility to get a lot more.

If nobody likes it, then nobody will watch it even if it's on the internet. Then the only people bying your dvds will be the fans you already have, plus a couple of curious people.

If it hits a nerve with the audience then a lot of people will watch it and will tell how great it is. Then a lot more people will watch it. X percent of those will want to get it on dvd and to support you. And then the fans will still buy it too.

The only way to loose in the internet game is to make a crappy movie - and let's be honest, you're not aiming for that are you? It still could be bad, hell, I'm pretty sure the first cut will be (ours was...). Then you have to cut it and cut it and cut it and then you cut it more. When you reach the point you don't want to loose one second of footage you've worked so hard for you cut some more.

If you do this cutting thing you're already above 90% of wannabe filmmakers. You're actually above a large percentage of ALL filmmakers. Lazy cutting kills films - so just don't do it. Add to that your eye for awe-inspiring scenes (or if you're not manbird your specific gift) and you've got something interesting.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 07:11 PM
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Hi Toveri, interesting read. I appreciate the sharing of your thoughts.
In response to what you were saying about the quality of my videos.
The first time I touched a 3-D program or video editing program was about 7 months ago. (not including the first Los Roques UFO video that I threw together in a few hours). I have no prior knowledge or experience in anything remotely similar. By profession, I am a telecommunications specialist. So I believe I have shown growth over the months in what I have been able to achieve.
Every video I do, requires me to learn techniques I've never tried before. Thus, every video you see, shows techniques that need to be polished and honed. My technical know how is still catching up to my vision. Just so you understand where I'm coming from, if any visual fx shot in this movie ended up looking exactly like what you see in my youtube videos...I would not be a happy camper.
Lessons and techinques learned from my 90 videos will be applied to this movie on a level never seen before on my videos. I am the most ruthless critque on my videos.

With that said, I understand what you are saying about the hard work that goes into production. And I have alot of experience thowing away work that I have spent days doing even weeks; underrstand that it will be on a greater scale with the production of this movie.

I know that making a feature length film isn't about sittin back, saying " action" and collecting oscar awards. I'm not doing this for money or fame, I'm doing it because this is what I want to do with the second half of my life. There is no quiting, or "oh gosh this is too hard..i give up".

On the logistical side of things, the money that will need to be raised will determine the "ready set go" clock on the movie. It is in the ultra-low buget scale which will cut me some breaks on SAG requirements since a percentage of the actors can be non-sag, and I will be doing the visual FX directing with a small (Very small) group of people trained in compositing and modeling. The delays of course will come and go, not important financially since I will have very little overhead, no juice will be running on the secured financing, and the tight scheduling will be very important. Still problems will arise..

The cast will be small, and the team will be very fine tuned. The screen play written and re-written , and re-written again has been completed.

Lots of work ahead.

As far as DVD sales, like I said, this movie is not being made for profit. It is being made to submit to the festivals with the possiblity of getting screened. With that exposure I might get my foot in the door enough to get 100k for my next movie. then 200k and 300k ....and so on. The internet will be the primary tool of distribution for this movie, as well as selling DVD's which costs little to nothing to do. If I make a few bucks in return, great, popcorn's on me!

But all of my life I've heard about how "hard it is to do something great" now I'm focusing on WHAT I need to do, regardless of difficulty.

But for some reason, tales of experience always consists of how close to impossible it is to achieve the goal and how often one will want to quit. But I'm always interested in hearing the thoughts and experiences of others who have treaded before me. I'd be a fool not to listen.


(even though I've probably demonstrated my ability not to listen...)
hehe



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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Manbird you probably do have a lot more time before the release than you anticipated if this is your first full length motion picture. I have quite a large number of friends in the Indie film industry and some in the mainstream as well. hit me up by U2U if you need anything. I always love to see a new filmmaker make their dreams a reality.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 09:02 PM
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hehe, I anticipate it's going to take twice as long as I anticipate.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 03:52 AM
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Have sent you a U2U (private message)
You should see a little red box with U2U in yellow in the box. It'll be in between all the buttons at top of page.
Click that and you'll be taken to your inbox.



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by manbird12000

Hi Toveri, interesting read. I appreciate the sharing of your thoughts.
In response to what you were saying about the quality of my videos.
The first time I touched a 3-D program or video editing program was about 7 months ago.


That's very impressive. I know some rather well-thought of amateur 3D artists that don't really match up with your stuff and they've got seven YEARS of experience.

Maybe I should get back to being grumpy, don't want you getting cocky



With that said, I understand what you are saying about the hard work that goes into production. And I have alot of experience thowing away work that I have spent days doing even weeks; underrstand that it will be on a greater scale with the production of this movie.


Even though the amount of work might still suprise you, it doesn't really matter, the important thing is the not giving up part. Actually, it propably helps to underestimate the workload... If we had known the amount of work our foot-in-the-door movie actually required when we started it we'd propably would have just got real jobs



I know that making a feature length film isn't about sittin back, saying " action" and collecting oscar awards. I'm not doing this for money or fame, I'm doing it because this is what I want to do with the second half of my life. There is no quiting, or "oh gosh this is too hard..i give up".


Couldn't agree more.


As far as DVD sales, like I said, this movie is not being made for profit. It is being made to submit to the festivals with the possiblity of getting screened. With that exposure I might get my foot in the door enough to get 100k for my next movie. then 200k and 300k ....and so on. The internet will be the primary tool of distribution for this movie, as well as selling DVD's which costs little to nothing to do. If I make a few bucks in return, great, popcorn's on me!


I just finished watching this movie: www.infestwisely.com...

It's very rough around the edges, but I liked it. And they made it for $700 and distributed on the Internet. It's not the only such movie, just the latest I've seen.

Another example is the film Primer: en.wikipedia.org... It was shot for $7,000 by a former engineer, but instead of the Internet it went the more traditional route of festivals to DVD. It's got a sizable cult following now.

And then there's Sky Captain. It's a major movie, but it got producedd because the director spent four years making a trailer for it in apartment. I just wish the plot would have been better, because there is so much to love in that film


But all of my life I've heard about how "hard it is to do something great" now I'm focusing on WHAT I need to do, regardless of difficulty.


Yes, it's actually funny that even I still get stuck with telling people how hard it is. You're absolutely right in that the key is doing what it takes. I guess it's just that I've seen so many people who might have talent and even start, but they give up when it would need just more work and some stubborness.

Another thing to remember is that there's a difference between difficult and hard work. I would say in my experience, that while the road we took was more work than the "traditional" way of getting in the business, it was way easier. At least it required a lot less of playing by other people's rules and trying to please them, instead of just doing the best one can.

Good luck, I'll be watching



posted on Jul, 16 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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Hi Toveri, I'm going to check out the links you provided, I'm VERY interested. I think I might have sounded a little rude in my previous post and I didn't mean to, I'm glad you didn't take it the wrong way. (whew!) Anyways, thankyou for taking the time to share your thoughts on this and offering some guidance. I will definitly keep you posted, I might be back here saying "Hey Toveri! Why didn't you tell me how hard this stuff was!!!!!!!!!!"



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 12:34 AM
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Found this and thought it might be another avenue for the film to take;

Into the pixel video game art

Although yours is not a game, it's the art involved. just a thought



posted on Aug, 4 2008 @ 09:47 AM
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Your Giant Ufo footage is very,very,interesting.I do look forward to the Great Dark film,if i was rich i would give you money forthe making of the film.....I would recommend the Joseph P Farrell Books The SS Brotherhood of the Bell and the book The Reich of the BLACK SUN all dealing with Anti gravity technolgy and flying discs that were being designed in Germany at that time.....SS Dr HAns Kammler had a hand in accessing the technolgy/Blueprints,the Nazi money was moved out of Germany....they didn't just leave all that money lying around as they were losing the war. look into this side of the UFO Story as it may interest you to know that the flying disc tecnology was supposed to be moved to the mountainous regions of Venezuala/South America. I am not a nazi and have been studying UFOs since 1970s ....by the way,its interesting to note that Guy Bannister was investigating UFOs (Maury Island....)check freedom Infomation Act Achives.....Does Guy Bannister ring any bells? I have Left YOU ALL some Clues....Its up to You to Follow that up,you may be surprised.Good Luck .2008



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 03:11 PM
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Hiya manbird,

Any updates on your project?
Any idea on a more solid release date?

How's it all going.
Eager and waiting to find out any info you can keep us informed with



posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Hi Extralien, Things are coming along very nicely. The screenplay had to be reworked, and it's looking ready to go. Things shoul start getting hot and heavy in January, when pre production starts.

The date is still holding strong for 2010, I should have more info in Jan. This baby is coming out, come hell or high water.

So far it looks like it might not be possible for a theatrical release unless we can get the A-list we're looking for. BUT plenty of digital distribution options and iTunes/Netflix. so stay tuned!



posted on Nov, 28 2008 @ 11:36 AM
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Great stuff.. really glad to hear it..

I'm in UK now, and getting sorted out slowly.

I have made a few new contacts that might be able to offer any other form of help you might need... Please feel free to ask me if you have any considerations or ideas that you feel I might be able to assist or find assistance with.

Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the film...

take care.



posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 05:46 AM
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Just to add....

I am yet to discuss with the owner, but I can almost guarantee a venue for viewing here in the UK... It's only a small place, but it deals mostly with the 'cult' scene of the film world.

So your film may very well go down with great appreciation here, and at least, it's an outlet.

This is the place The Chestnut Tree cafe.

I've also been chatting recently with a projectionist from a very well placed and public, large cinema (was part of a chain and is now independent), I had introduced him to ATS, so putting your film forwards there may also be an option I can try to get into as well.

Every option possible is being thought out... I might have somewhere else for it be sold/displayed later on. There is a project in the pipeline that may be starting in January 2009 and will offer a rather nice outlet for many things.



posted on Dec, 8 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by Extralien
Just to add....

I am yet to discuss with the owner, but I can almost guarantee a venue for viewing here in the UK... It's only a small place, but it deals mostly with the 'cult' scene of the film world.

So your film may very well go down with great appreciation here, and at least, it's an outlet.

This is the place The Chestnut Tree cafe.

I've also been chatting recently with a projectionist from a very well placed and public, large cinema (was part of a chain and is now independent), I had introduced him to ATS, so putting your film forwards there may also be an option I can try to get into as well.

Every option possible is being thought out... I might have somewhere else for it be sold/displayed later on. There is a project in the pipeline that may be starting in January 2009 and will offer a rather nice outlet for many things.



Hi Extralien, I didn't realize your response was posted until now and I ahve to say THANKYOU! That sounds like an option for exposure I can't dare decline!

I will keep you posted on the progress, and perhaps I can take you up on that offer. Great news!!



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Two years on and I have not forgotten this movie that you were/are/have making/made.

I've been hoping to see it since I first posted this thread.

Are there any updates as to your progress?

Has it failed? Are you stuck with it? Given up due to many of life's reasons? Finished it but not yet released? Shelved for the future?

Would love to know what's going on..

Hope all is well with you and yours



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Last Visit: May 9, 2010

Got his email?



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Unfortunately not...

I thought I had but it might be on an old e-mail account I no longer have/use/forgotten about...

But, actually.... Sherlock Holmes mode has just kicked in.. I will go leave a message on his youtube profile




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