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5 stab murders in 24 hrs.

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posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by realshanti
All of the above imo and any country who has sat at the top of the imperialist mosh pile for any length of time will experience their fair share of "scrotes" as you put it - and no where did I say the young "scrote's are not responsible for their actions...so don't get it twisted


I wasn't actually responding to anyone in particular realshanti. I was though jumping in with the observation before the thread gets sidetracked down any number of avenues. IMO no amount of understanding, investment, reaching out or blaming someone or something else works without a big dollop of accountability, otherwise it becomes just another loophole for the criminal to exploit.

So nothing twisted this end.




posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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I wonder if the sudden rise in stabbings are due to the fact that the media have started to "zoom in" on this particular crime. Where as before, we perhaps never got to hear about them as the media didn't consider it newsworthy.

Just a thought - Problem=Reaction=Solution(whatever that may be)



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 02:55 AM
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Sorry but that's rubbish. There are many working class and middle class families who's kids still fall for that one thing that governs their world, peer pressure.

I know many kids when i was younger who were in gangs and they had respectable upbringings. They do it because its cool, and to to be part of something. Simple as that.

Let me guess, your a daily mail reader right?



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed
Ten years till "fist registration" forces everyone whose ever boxed, wrestled, or taken martial arts to register thier "lethal wepons"


I think it might already be kind of like that. If you have martial arts training and you get into a fight on the streets, then you have to prove that you were in self-defence and that you only respond with relevant force or else you're screwed when they take you to court for assault.


Anyway these knife attacks are down to gang culture, plain and simple. Just go to London at night and you'll see (or feel) for yourself. (that's just rhetoric btw, i'd in no way advise anyone to actually go to London at night (which is a shame really because it's a nice place to go out, it's just dangerous in some places)).

[edit on 13/7/2008 by malganis]



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by CX

I will wait with interest to see what measures Gordon Brown will introduce on Monday.


Well, based on his past form, I imagine he'd introduce a cash incentive for people notto stab others. Possibly call it "No Stabbing This Week Tax Credit."



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by Daz3d-n-Confus3d
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Actually they already do, well kind of. I took a martial art called Gung Fu. Upon registration I had to sign a form that went to the FBI for their files. If I ever defend myself and maim or kill them I can be brought up on charges.


Because I boxed as a youth but also had a criminal record I had to notify the police when my doctor gave me approval to box (this was in the UK in the 80's). The criminal record was supposed to have been cleared when I reached 17, but in the mid-nineties I applied for a job with the Foreign Office. After several rounds of tests I made it to interview and one of the interviewers asked me if I still boxed. It threw me off my stride enough for me to completely screw up the interview.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by Cantwara


I wasn't actually responding to anyone in particular realshanti. I was though jumping in with the observation before the thread gets sidetracked down any number of avenues. IMO no amount of understanding, investment, reaching out or blaming someone or something else works without a big dollop of accountability, otherwise it becomes just another loophole for the criminal to exploit.

So nothing twisted this end.


yeah - totally get what you're saying - and agree 100% - here in the US( I'm sure you folks have them too) there are entire groups/firms/organizations dedicated to the exact opposite of accountability - context is important but means nothing if personal responsibility is tossed...



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 04:53 AM
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Its plain and simply. There is no deterrent to stabbing someone in the UK. Hey, stab someone go to prison (if you get a Judge with common sense which is in itself rare) and meet all of your friends, get a 'cell' - or as us common folk call it, a room to yourself and please, play playstation and pool all day.

The situation in the UK is unacceptable. There are many things that could play a factor as have already been mentioned. The one constant in ALL of these cases is - Rap / Hip Hop culture and its absolutley pathetic perception of respect.

Respect? A question i would ask of these 'gangs' is....

why do you feel you deserve my respect? what could i possibly owe you?

If anything, due to the fact that i work 40+ hours a month for my "taxes" to be spent of these primates who do nothing



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:32 AM
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It's like earthquakes, there isn't more of them, they are just getting reported on the mainstream media more, still tragic though. I think we need to relocate the population of the isle of man to mainland Britain and turn it into a sort of Alcatraz, stick all these nutters there, give them a large supply of lube and let them "stab" each other!



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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I'm fed up with the media blowing this out of proportions.. so what 5 people got stabbed, what else happened on that day??

30,273 children died of starvation.
9,300 men, women and children died from AIDS,
4,236 still births,
2,000 people die in car accidents,
1,490 people fall to cancer


etc, etc, infact it's close to 155,000 people died that day.

5 people, 1 million people, 1 billion people it really doesn't make a difference because our race is a cancer.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 06:39 AM
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To be honest I believe its a number of factors...

In the grand scheme of things, 5 stabbings across the UK is not alot in 24 hours, especially on a Friday night. If you've ever visited Broad Street in Birmingham of a weekend you would no its rife with Police and violence from louts and yobs.

I'm 21, I come from a good family. I have been taught respect been shown love and always been supported. I have done naughty things as a teenager, but who doesn't. However I knew the boundary. It was clear and still is clear to me that you do not resort to violence unless you need to and I couldn't even contemplate killing another human being.

I do feel unsafe sometimes walking about now. I remember riding around on my bike as a kid all day with not a care, I doubt many kids would be able to do that now.

As a young adult, I think the UK Govt and the people within it have really gone wrong somewhere. Everywhere you look now - kids hanging around in gangs within the cities and suburbs. Parents and single parents who look like they're on smack pushing round kids in prams usually younger than myself. Its sickening to watch sometimes and I blame it on poor parenting and poor education and evidently lack of income. It all has a knock on affect.

Its not unusual now for families to be unmarried, have 5 different babies by a million different fathers, one kids a drug addict the others up the duff with her 2nd teenage pregancy - you know - what the hell is going on here?

Jail is often more appealing that living in a home you have to finance yourself - when your on a wage of £5 an hour £300 a week and you have a family to feed and rent to pay - i can imagine how it would be more appealing to commit a crime and do the time.

The Government need to crack down on inmates. Tighten laws on knives, make sentences for crimes harsher across the board. Make life actually mean LIFE! Not "Oh, you stabbed someone in cold blood, here take 8 years in prison to sort yourself out with free food, playstation, tv, nearly anything you want, you may be out in 5 if your good" attitude.

This Government always seems to 'attempt' and I say 'attempt' to solve the result of a problem not the actualy root and you can never kill a weed without attacking the roots...



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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lmao what are they gonna do, make everyone register their kitchen knives, common, they just have to stop being lazy and get some real cops doin some foot patrol in ganglands, break up the routines these hooligans have... jeeze



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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Having martial arts training in a dojo will be useless in all practicality during a knife attack.
Generally a knife attack or most any attack is a sudden and surprise event. It is often from behind or an angular attack and there is often mis-direction involved.
Martial arts training...most basic training in a dojo...is face to face and formal with both attacker and defender being prepared and aware of the upcoming attack.
The vast majority of martial arts students never progress beyond the first few levels and seldom progress beyond basic to moderate training and generally seldom involves weapons.

My level, Shodan in Kumiuchi Ryu Jiu-Jitsu and a member of the Kokon Ryu Bujutsu Renmei. My real world ability...no recent training having lost interest over the years and finding other interests. While considering myself reasonable well trained a sudden attack by a knife weilding person will probably cause a great deal of damage to me. More than likely the attacker will have zero training just anger and a desire to take from others.

What is interesting here is the reaction to these violent attacks and the weapon...a silly knife. Think about how many shootings there are every day in the USA...and in major cities. How much front page coverage is there? Pretty much none. Why? Besides being inured to this sort of violence there is something impersonal about a shooting. It is done from a bit of a distance and the shooting is a bit sprayed at the intended victim.
A knife attack is about as personal as it gets. You are within arms reach and depending on the location/depth/etc. of the strike will likely get the attacker sprayed with blood or at least some on him.

One good thing about a knife attack it is victim specific, takes a great deal of energy, requires arms reach and takes a bit of time. There are no "drive by knifings", no innocent victims stabbed in their homes or on their porches while watching tv or taking in the night air.

Most people in the civilized world are cow like in that they walk around as though they have no cares in the world and are as safe on the streets as in their own home. Most victims of knife attacks are known to their attackers if not personally, generally by their groups or associations...in general anyway.

How to avoid a knife attack? Be aware of your surroundings...meaning look at those around you...it is easy to learn and practice situational awareness. Make eye contact, even momentarily, with those around you. Generally that can make a would be attacker hesitant because they prefer to attack anonymously...this is for random attackers not specific "I want to kill/hurt you because...attackers...

A knife is an arm reach weapon and requires very specific motions that are generally easily observeable. The easiet way to defend against such an attack is to step away. Widen the distance means the attacker now has to reset himself and has dramatically demonstrated his attentions.
Just by moving away from arms reach is the best defense. He/she can't get to you unless closing the distance and you can just keep moving away...move angularly as well not directly back...that is more difficult to react to hehehe.

Use whatever is at hand...the longer the better...as a defense weapon...rolled up newspaper makes a great weapon, backpack, bag, a well thrown rock, etc. works great...yell your head off...create a much notice as you can and the attacker will generally run.
Do your best not to fight in the knifes reach. You will surely get cut and generally hurt badly even if successful in defending yourself. I spent years in weapons training, knife and arms reach weapons, and what we learned best is that even the best trained and skilled, unless very very lucky, is going to get cut and cut badly so no Jet Li stuff please it is all Hollyweird trickery and does not work LOL.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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What I find most interesting the level of social decay in Britian. I read the London Daily Mail daily and the message of social decay followed by the governments inability to respond is frightening.
This is the worst case of left wing liberal socialism government failing miserably.
It is easy to control the controlable...those are most of us that respect and respond positively to government structure and allow such structure to provide everything including safety for us.
It is impossible to control those that have no respect for law and are absolutely unwilling to follow such structures.

You are seeing the results of the current form of "social discipline". Sometimes if you can't teach people of bad intent to become good and proper by words and example you have to teach them to stop by hard, fast and sure violence making them afraid to try such an action again. That is where Britain has failed and this is just the beginning of their decline.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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You are totally correct, and you have to add to that the fact that these politicians do not live in the real world nor do they care about which direction a country goes just as long as they get the votes they need.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 01:39 PM
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cc Benjamin..I 100% agree with you, you took the words out my mouth. Th values of the family systems are horrific in England , once a nation highly respected educated people now people look at the english as nothing but drunen trouble making yobs..which isnt far off in the cities. Corpral punishment should be implemented to tan the hides of those bleeding english yobs. Also its a big influence from the states and the wanna be gangsta life still it seems everyone wants to walk with a limp and murder people. What a joke i think britain is really going down , so i packed up and moved to spain ...much better a country which still retains its culture and repremands its kids if they do something wrong, not just go get pissed in the pub.



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