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Man claims to know source of Phoenix Lights UFO sighting (Video)

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posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:09 PM
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I was In phx at a Baseball game on the night of the Phoenix lights.
It was not modern aircraft. It was massive, perfectly quiet, and a weird yet friendly feeling.

ill never Buy it was anything but NOT human made. It may have been a Organic life form, or a Alien ship. There is no way in hell, that we posess the power of that things capabilities, and the feeling of a peacful and intelligent entity.


I dont care what any scientist claims to say about it.. you felt that somthing was looking back at you, and telling you " its gonna be alright"






posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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It could be man made, but our jets make a lot of noise. If it is top secret, why would they fly it near a such a huge population?

Edited after reading full statements.

[edit on 7/10/2008 by kidflash2008]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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i cant believe how everyone is saying "oooh this is strange" and "we must have been taught these theories and this technology".

how arrogant and stupid to think we know what technologies the government has and what they thought up during the war. you are talking about this like aliens are common knowledge and the fact that this could be US is a conspiracy. thats ridiculous. Its more than likely that ufos are us. thats what all the evidence points to. Not aliens. all the abductions and never one on footage.. well hoaxes only.

get a grip. maybe not this guys story, but in general, it sounds true, its our own species that have done this. not aliens.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by kidflash2008
It still looks to me like flares disappearing behind the mountains. I would never think flares are top secret aircraft, but who knows.


Kid: Warren is reffering to the sightings of the massive V-shaped craft at the 8:00pm hour, not the "flare" style sightings at 10pm.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by kidflash2008
It still looks to me like flares disappearing behind the mountains. I would never think flares are top secret aircraft, but who knows.


how did the flares travel across the city, and up to flagstaff then?
I personally watched the lights fly over the ASU stadium.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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Wow! Bestest most irrefutablest evidences ever!



Tickets only 30 - 50 dollars for said evidence.
www.russianamericaninstituteofspacescience.com...



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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are you fracking kidding me?
we have the technology to shoot radio waves into your head and make you feel nauseous, or euphoria, how naive are you to say that the same radio waves can't make you feel like somethings friendly? and intelligent? come on! anything that moves the way the pheonix lights did has to have come from intelligent origin.

as for the 'no sound' bit you tossed out, our ears SUCK compared to other animals on Earth. We can't listen or hear to more than a few things at once. in fact, if your ears are being flooded with certain wave lengths then it blocks out, ENTIRELY other sound waves or even sound all together.
Flashbangs, that don't even affect your hearing directly, when they go off the shock of the flash deafens you momentarily.

you guys have to understand that there's tons of people on earth. if I came up with cold fusion it probably wouldn't be popular for another 50 years.

DENY IGNORANCE.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by Crabmeat]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:20 PM
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I have some problems with this story:
fist of all, is this guy ACTUALLY who he claims to be?
ahem:



has worked cooperatively with the Russian Government for almost 40 years, providing research and development for the Soviet Space Agency, Russian Space Agency, Glascosmos, RKA (Russo Kosmonautic Agency), NASA, ESA (European Space Agency) and numerous American and foreign space contractors. Mentored by Dr. Wernher von Braun, who directed Germany's V-2 Rocket Program in World War II and later led the American Space Agency, James Bartzen established close relations with prominent pioneers of space science and exploration. Educated in Phoenix and London, he holds a doctorate from Merton College. Among numerous developments for science that already exist in space, James R. Bartzen designed the landing gear that will be used on the Manned Mars Mission. He has researched UFO sightings and their impact on the world population for 35 years.



www.sedonacreativelife.com...

I didn't know that someone already "designed the landing gear that will be used on the Manned Mars Mission".
Now i'm curious to see if at least one of the claims quoted turn out to be true.
I would also be interested in knowing who is "Vladimir Belyakov, Counselor, Embassy of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" who claimed that Dr. Bartzen possesses "a knowledge of Russian Space Science unique to the Western World".

NOT claiming that it's all a bunch of BS, just guessing that it sounds a little bit FISHY to me.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Crabmeat
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are you fracking kidding me?
we have the technology to shoot radio waves into your head and make you feel nauseous, or euphoria, how naive are you to say that the same radio waves can't make you feel like somethings friendly? and intelligent? come on! anything that moves the way the pheonix lights did has to have come from intelligent origin.

as for the 'no sound' bit you tossed out, our ears SUCK compared to other animals on Earth. We can't listen or hear to more than a few things at once. in fact, if your ears are being flooded with certain wave lengths then it blocks out, ENTIRELY other sound waves or even sound all together.
Flashbangs, that don't even affect your hearing directly, when they go off the shock of the flash deafens you momentarily.

you guys have to understand that there's tons of people on earth. if I came up with cold fusion it probably wouldn't be popular for another 50 years.

DENY IGNORANCE.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by Crabmeat]



Deny Ignorance also means dont believe our huge "sinister" government has even the money left to come up with this. Having the engines on frequencys? Come on man, are you just un-willing to believe? the thing was the size of at least one football field, with no audible sound. If you reall believe the Govt has this tech, but still wants to use F15's do get the job done, i think you have way to much faith in this flawed govt.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by jmklaren]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure there ARE plans already for mars manned missions, including the technology to be used, facilities to be installed, etc etc. they're just waiting for someone to come up with a good terra forming scheme, and for the 'funds' (which is total bull#) to construct the necessary things.
Also, if particalization is real, they already have stuff on mars, they just need to put on a show for the public, carrying tons of junk to space and saying they're sending peices of a mars colony module to the red planet.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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I thought it was about the flare sightings, not the triangle/V shaped craft. I apologize for my shortsightedness. As Emily Latella would say: Oh! Well that's very different. Nevermind.
I have re-edited my statement.

Edited to add on sentence.

[edit on 7/10/2008 by kidflash2008]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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DUDE, what the hell are you on?

The government still uses F-15, F-16, B-2's because if they busted out all their super duper #, other countries will copy them and then when WW3 happens the world will be done for. We're not ready for the whole world to have super duper technology, it'd be devasting.

Also, look up super conductivity without the use of absolute zero temperatures. In the 1970's, possibly the 60's, japanese scientists, with american scientists made super conductive plastics but hushed up about it faster than you can even say super conductivity.

You need to broaden your mental capacity, and stop saying the 'unknown' are aliens.

The FACT that no military craft flew towards the pheonix light, no helicopters flew around them taking close video, none of that, just proves that the gov't was well aware of what was going on.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Crabmeat
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure there ARE plans already for mars manned missions, including the technology to be used, facilities to be installed, etc etc. they're just waiting for someone to come up with a good terra forming scheme, and for the 'funds' (which is total bull#) to construct the necessary things.


Funds? You claimed in this very thread that you felt the reason why they didn't fly the massive PHX ship over the Atlantic was because it would've been to expensive. Now you're saying that going to Mars is easy and cheap.



[edit on 10-7-2008 by NightVision]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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Money is of no value. It's just paper. America trades paper for REAL goods. It's a rather brilliant scheme.
As for the reason why they didn't fly it over the atlantic, is the cost of that isn't in dollars, it's in fuel, it's in time, and it's in effort. They surely could have flown it over the atlantic to test it out by why do so when you could do it in your back yard? It's like going to the corner store 5 blocks further than the one near your house just to buy milk for 25cents MORE.

Illogical.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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The Govt.'s explanations for it's own creations is also illogical at best. I have sited at least 3 examples earlier. You seem to present yourself as having some kind of quasi-authority on what the Govt. would or wouldn't do based on your own logic, rather than the Govt's witness testimony and track record.



Oh, and by the way....I highly doubt the PHX ship was using "fuel" as we know it.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by NightVision]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:50 PM
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if the phx lights were soundless it could have been superconductivity.
i'm not an expert on any of this, but if you people, all of you people here at ats who are guilty of saying the gov't is #ed up and evil, just take the time to realize that 'yes, we're smart intelligent people here, but the people who run the show are far more intelligent than we can ever comprehend' then you'll realize that it doesn't take quasi-authority to guess at the governments motives, thought processes, and even functions.

i'm not saying i'm smarter than any of you here either, i'm just saying most of you are guilty of being very cocky and arrogant.

the gov't might not give a frack about the common man but they're not out to destroy the human race.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Crabmeat


i'm not saying i'm smarter than any of you here either, i'm just saying most of you are guilty of being very cocky and arrogant.


You just insulted a eye witness to the PHX lights telling him he was 'out of his fracking mind' for seeing what he saw. And then you top it off by telling him he didn't see it at all. Is that not arrogant?



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Crabmeat
reply to post by jmklaren
 


DUDE, what the hell are you on?

The government still uses F-15, F-16, B-2's because if they busted out all their super duper #, other countries will copy them and then when WW3 happens the world will be done for. We're not ready for the whole world to have super duper technology, it'd be devasting.

Also, look up super conductivity without the use of absolute zero temperatures. In the 1970's, possibly the 60's, japanese scientists, with american scientists made super conductive plastics but hushed up about it faster than you can even say super conductivity.

You need to broaden your mental capacity, and stop saying the 'unknown' are aliens.

The FACT that no military craft flew towards the pheonix light, no helicopters flew around them taking close video, none of that, just proves that the gov't was well aware of what was going on.


Good that you propose to "think outside the box", however, generally believing that it would be our own crafts would not fit into that.

The unknown are not always Aliens ofc. I think we all know that, I hope you do understand that the blade cuts in both ways. Not everything unknown are of military origin either. You might be right, but concider you also might be wrong. But from your posts it do look like you are unwilling to accept that it actually MIGHT be something else than military crafts.

There is sooo much pointing to that it is something else though. if you look at all testimonials and images. I still have a hard time believing that military would send up a HUGE V-shaped craft, hover above PHX for an hour, and then cruise over the town on a altitude where anyone could have a good look on it. And it was huge. According to witnesses you could land ALL B-52 on it. =P ( probably a bit over the top but still ).

We can rule out flares, cause they don't hover.

Military crafts, possible but not likely.

Extra-terrestrials, unbelievable perhaps but more likely. ( to me anyway )

Besides, I rather believe 500 ex employees from military, high positioned gov men, FAA, NASA, Marine, FBI and so on and so on then believing what ONE man says. But this is my believe and my point of view, and that is sacred.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by Akezzon]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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Ok lets see the evidence...
Did I miss it? Oh wait, I need to pay $$$ or buy some CDs I guess.

The biggest secret revealed only for $50...
Another snake oil seller, it seems.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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This whole story smacks of a disinformation campaign.



Bartzen told ABC15. "The government desires people to believe in space aliens so they don't have to reveal the technologies that both we and the Russians have."

Quite the opposite.

High levels within the US and British governments (and probably the Russians too) know all about space aliens and certain agencies wish to keep the general public in the dark about it for as long as they possibly can


If they wanted to test black project spacecraft, they could do so over the various top secret governmental facilities in the US and elsewhere around the world. They have no need to fly over a highly populated area like Phoenix, Arizona.

Moreover, the governments already know how people will react to large UFO sightings, as those circumstances have occurred many times over the years. They therefore also have no need to determine how people will react to it.

Like I stated, it all smacks of a disinformation campaign.

Let's see this "insider" produce some "Phoenix lights" that completely fit the bill as to what the thousands of people saw that Arizona night.


He will be unable to do so.


I wonder how much they are paying him.


[edit on 10-7-2008 by Paul_Richard]



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