Originally posted by Maxmars
Violent action will encourage a violent response.

Should the NWO-AMERO-NAU agenda come to pass I think a general strike would be more effective than any violence.

Many will suffer. But they CAN'T win. Not if there truly is a United States of America sleeping in front of their TV sets. We have been ripped off for sure, it was allowed to happen. Some even encouraged it.

They are still reaping the profits as we speak.

you must remember that the people that will be rounded up will never be seen from again they are as good as gone. being nice is a thing of the past protest they just turn a deaf ear too. but you make a good example of someone then there is no more deaf ears. i will refuse to let my daughter grow up a slave to some poor excuss for a bunch of degenarants.

This is just so very troubling.

Thankyou pluckynooyez for bringing forth these important videos.

If I could I would grant you applause for each one and urge the Mods to agree and do so if they have not already.

Yes this is a turbulent era, and what a magnificent time to be aware and watchfull.

I know Bush bashing is trendy and makes you cool on ATS, but seriously, your so completely blinded by your partisan shaded glasses that I am astonished. I have got to get me some of this Bush bashing kool-aid. You were somehow able to turn a topic about Congress into a rabid foaming at the mouth Bush-bashing post. I stand amazed.

Originally posted by Grambler
This is absurd. Your threshold for rather or not something is true is if the MSM is discussing it. You still haven't responded to the fact that all MSM outlets intentionally let the CIA place pundits on their networks, and intentionally misled the public into thinking they were independent. Oh wait, despite the thousands of pages of evidence that have been released by the CIA, this must not be true, because the media didn't report on it, right?

It is hilarious that someone is willing to believe a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence, and have the audacity to call anyone else's standard of evidence absurd. You really CANNOT be talking. There is no fact that the mass media let CIA "place pundits" on their networks covertly - government talking heads regularly appear on the media to give the government side of the story - this is not a conspiracy. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF IT WERE A CONSPIRACY. I can imagine someone in the CIA pounding his head against the desk. The government tries to be open and honest, and the tin-foil hat crowd pounces and completely ignores the fact that they are getting their theory from...government sources.

Oh wait, despite having absolutely no evidence that the end is nigh and Congress met in secret about it, it must still be true, because it is a conspiracy that tells you what you want to believe. :LOL:

Originally posted by Grambler
Its easy for you to admit that they are willing to spin to further their agenda, yet you can't see how if both parties were implicated (thereby both of their agendas) they would just shut up about it. If only there were some story that we knew to be true that no station would report on because it affected all of them. Hmm. Oh Wait! How about that story about the media allowing CIA employees to be pundits? Why wasn't this reported. Couldn't the spinmeisters at CNN show this as evidence of Bush's and shadiness?

What is hard for you to understand that networks appeal to both sides and both would take up arms to blast the other side if there was even the slightest possibility this might be true? You must really be living in a dream world.

Originally posted by Grambler
I like how everyone who wants to hear about what Kucinich has to say about Bush being impeached is a nut. Despite the fact that you are just making ad hom attacks and not responding, I will still elaborate. First, the biig claim that Kucinich is making is that Bush was briefed that Iraq had no ties to Al Qaida, yet on the day after he was briefed he told the American public the exact opposite to get us into war. That is a very true statement, and I challenge you to discredit it.

Please learn the definition of ad hominem attacks before you use the phrase. The definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing time and again expecting different results. This is exactly what Kucinich does by repeatedly attempting to impeach just about everyone he can in order to get people like you excited. It is not a true statement that Bush had intelligence which said beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no connection between Iraq and WMDs. That is the nature of intelligence: your going to have conflicting messages - what the facts DO show is that intelligence reports were conflicted, and it certainly wasn't clear that Bush was wrong when he made the decision.

Originally posted by Grambler
Also, according to you the spinmeisters at MSNBC would jump all over the chance to attack Bush. Are you honestly telling me they find the testimony and research of several congressmen who signed this impeachment bill so uncredible, that even though this information would further their agenda of bashing Bush and stirring controversy, they won't touch it? That is laughable!

That fact that MSNBC and CNN don't spend all day catering to your rabid need to blame George Bush for everything does not change the facts. The facts are every time some woo-woo liberal attempts to impeach bush to start a political circus, they do get mentioned. Every time. Why? Because the mass media is feeding your bush-hating propaganda needs. In fact, every time he pulls this impeachment stunt I've always seen it covered on every major network.

Originally posted by Grambler
On the note of Ron Paul, hes received very limited coverage even when he was a viable candidate. When he was discussed, it was almost always very brief and in a negative light. Even most of the questions directed at him during the debates were garbage, and he wasn't even invited to the Fox debate.

Oh please. He was given coverage when he was viable, and was dropped when he was no longer viable. I am a libertarian and a Ron Paul supporter, and even I am not going to join the delusions on this. Sadly, why Ron Paul lost was due to his rabid supporters. I loved Ron Paul, not the Paulbots.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

I read a list on several conspiracy sites, but it's a tad ridiculous. This was a one hour meeting. There is no way under the sun they covered that list of topics in an hour. It would take many hours for EACH topic in that list, I'm sure. It's always easy to produce "leaked" information, with no source given, and being a secret meeting, there is no way to verify it.

I see no reason to believe it was anything than what they stated, being a meeting to discuss the law that allows for tracking on the Internet, tapping phones, etc. And the purpose is probably just a stall tactic.

But no way could they discuss all those items in a meeting scheduled to run one hour, that's not feasible nor logical. It would take DAYS to sort through that very long list of subjects.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
I know Bush bashing is trendy and makes you cool on ATS, but seriously, your so completely blinded by your partisan shaded glasses that I am astonished. I have got to get me some of this Bush bashing kool-aid. You were somehow able to turn a topic about Congress into a rabid foaming at the mouth Bush-bashing post. I stand amazed.

You don't read the posts, do you? After our entire discussion you still call me partisan. I hate BOTH parties, hence I am not partisan. All of my posts have been about why both parties and the media suck. You are resorting to talking points, assuming that anyone with a problem with Bush is a liberal partisan hack, instead of actually reading and refuting arguments.

It is hilarious that someone is willing to believe a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence, and have the audacity to call anyone else's standard of evidence absurd. You really CANNOT be talking. There is no fact that the mass media let CIA "place pundits" on their networks covertly - government talking heads regularly appear on the media to give the government side of the story - this is not a conspiracy. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF IT WERE A CONSPIRACY. I can imagine someone in the CIA pounding his head against the desk. The government tries to be open and honest, and the tin-foil hat crowd pounces and completely ignores the fact that they are getting their theory from...government sources.

Oh wait, despite having absolutely no evidence that the end is nigh and Congress met in secret about it, it must still be true, because it is a conspiracy that tells you what you want to believe. :LOL:

First off, I said I didn't know if I believe this. As far as your point about the CIA, either you aren't reading what I'm posting, or you are so delusional that you are in need of serious help. Lawyers issued a federal request for the information, hence it had to be released. In your twisted view, the fact that the CIA released these documents proves that the information contained within them must be harmless. So you are saying that you won't believe anything unless the media reports it, which by the way you find extremely biased, and any information the government releases, no matter how incriminating, must not be a big deal or they wouldn't have released it. Wow.

You can believe what you want about the CIA released documents, but seeing as how the motto around ATS is deny ignorance, why don't you look at them, or at least look at what people who have looked at them are saying, instead of making blind assertions?

One last time, this wasn't just normal talking heads, this was the CIA in collaboration with the MSM passing off CIA employees as independent employees, in order to convince the publice to support war. If you would have read the link, you would realize the FCC is thinking of pressing charges because they think it is illegal.

I will say again, I am not willing to say I know what was said in this meeting, but i think this may be a possibility. Unlike you, I try to keep an open mind. I don't make broad claims like, "nothing that isn't reported in the MSM can be true" or "the MSM is always against any war". You sound ridiculous.

I have no problem with the fact that you don't believe this theory. My problem is that instead of using facts and evidence to back up your claims, you just make wholesale assertions that are totally illogical. If you truly find the evidence standards of conspiracy theorists to be too low, why don't you serve as a model for how to properly do research, as opposed to using it as an excuse to not look into anything?

Not likely, the closed do meetings would go over the absolute worst case scenarios, and they just have to put every possible outcome up on the board. I'm sure an Alien invasion from Alpha Centari was on the board too.

The United States would not just collapse, first things would shut down to relieve the pressure, i.e.

-Turn off Iraq
-Drill for Oil
-Ration Gas
-Ration Food
-Raise prices
-Raise Taxes - Why would the U.S. Government issue a Stimulous package to the whole United States if the situation was so dire...

I just can't see everything coming to a complete halt after 200 years of progress... At least not overnight...

So don't panic.

We could go on for days and even years about this but where will it get us?
What I want to know is, what is one to do? I do not care if I live or die at any given point on any given day. I would lean toward life if I had to defend myself and even more so to protect my family but, as a rule of thumb, I do not "cling" to life like a wimpering baby clinging to her blankey.
What does scare the $hit out of me is what about my kids?
What are they to do if I die defending their freedoms to no avail?
What are your children to do if daddy goes out to fight a losing battle and never returns, leaving them to be slaves to the NWO?
Do we really want our kids growing up thinking all of this is normal?
Do we really want them to be slaves?
Could we die a peaceful death knowing that after we are gone our children will end up as sex slaves to some luciferian world leaders?
Are you going to be able to live/die with the thought of your 5 yr. old daughter being picked up kicking and screaming and taken back to their "special place" to get raped by these maniacs?

We can go on and on about rising up and overthrowing this NWO but in the long run it will not happen because we are all to afraid.PERIOD!!!!
The best we can hope for at this point is one helluva intervention.
I am scared to death for my children and am ashamed to admit that,looking back, I wish I had never brought them into this world.
And I wish I could take them out of it so they don't have to suffer through this horrible mess.
Honestly, does anyone else feel this way or have I taken leave of my senses? Please help a brother out. What can be done to save our children?

And by the way,
consider yourself extremely lucky if you are fortunate enough to not have children during this time.And for the love of Christ DO NOT have any if you can help it.

Cmon its been proven that Bush and cronies have embedded analyst into the mainstream media to encourage there 'message', Is it so hard to imagine that the mainstream media has ignored these type of stories for a reason? You really expect Fox to break this type of story. Lol @ the so-called debunkers.