Forced Servitude In America?

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Well,
Slavery being wanted by Obma, another good reason to NOT vote for him.

BTW, "I am told" that Catholic Schools have this form of forced labor as a requirement, also.

I am ashamed to admit it is true. But then, they always couch it in terms of 'tithing' sort of as an adjunct. It also increases your social standing in their community - somewhat.

Is part of the human experience being a 'mark' for every institution one deals with? Or is it just that institutions always see the community as 'prey'?

[edit on 9-7-2008 by Maxmars]

To me, having to work two jobs just to make ends meet is "forced servitude" thanks to the economic policies of this current administration.

Being a kid and working in some worthwhile endeavor to help our fellow man sounds like fun to me.

But when the draft is re instituted for the never ending war against the Muslims, now that will be "forced Servitude"

Hear my words, McCain=the draft in 09

reply to post by whaaa


Wow. I felt like I was reading right off the Democrat National Committee's daily talking points. Thanks for the summary. I guess from now on I can just watch ATS instead of trying to figure out what the DNC's propaganda arm is up to. Now if only I could find an RNC propagandist on here, I could get my daily dose of political propaganda from 1 source.

reply to post by ALightinDarkness

Umm - as advertised, they ARE only paying out the principle plus the interest, over the term of the loan. There is no false advertising here. Its elementary knowledge that a 5% APY simple interest loan over 30 (or any other mortgage term) years ends up costing more than the principle - because you have taken out a loan over such a long period of time. There is no false advertising here.

What you may consider 'elementary knowledge' is not necessarily so elementary to everyone. Most people - especially when told of these 'elementary' facts would feel ashamed to admit they didn't fully understand what that means. And frankly, I suspect that the average high school graduate doesn't either. I wouldn't be surprised if you tested people out of college you might find that they couldn't figure it out either.

Obviously you have an admirable skill for reading and understanding your contracts, not everyone does. I think it is safe to say that you are in a minority. Yet, the credit card companies pump out hundreds of thousands of offer letters to anyone who's mailing address they can verify. Do you think they care if these people understand what they are being offered?

And once the debt is real, how can you address it? You can't, you must either labor or borrow more to repay it. In other words, the debt drives you. Once locked in debt, can you get rich?

Originally posted by The Nighthawk
Second, it's not about "charity". It's about things that need to be done in our communities. Private enterprise won't do it for lack of profit. Government could do it but it would also be decried as "socialist" and people don't want to spend tax dollars on it. Nobody wins. How would you solve such problems?

First of all, the government DOES do those things right now and yes, it is socialist. The tax system has been perverted (correction... further perverted, it was perverse from the start) to be nothing short of wealth redistribution... very socialist and very immoral. A man deserves the fruit of his labor and should have no claim to the fruits of another man's labor outside of what has been contractually agreed upon between the two parties.

Second of all, "solving" such problems should be left up to individuals, voluntarily and freely. I do not believe in my tax dollars going to foreign aid in any form. If I want to help starving children in Botswana, then it should be up to me and me alone to decide how much of my money I am willing to send to them and in what form. I can understand a need for some forms of humanitarian aid within the borders of the United States and I believe that is where any and all government aid spending of American tax dollars should be limited to.

Originally posted by Maxmars
What you may consider 'elementary knowledge' is not necessarily so elementary to everyone.

What? How is this hard to understand? You mean to tell me people cannot understand how interest works? That is a basic education problem then, not forced servitude. An amortization schedule can be done in 5 minutes, or done ONLINE for FREE in 15 seconds. Just looking at loan amounts and terms makes it obvious whats going on: 5% of 100,000 over 30 years means I'm paying a ton of interest.

Ignorance is not an excuse. If people cannot be bothered to take 1 hour of time to learn about what they are doing before taking out loans for hundreds of thousands of dollars, they have no one to blame but themselves.

My grandmother, whom is so old that she was a child during the great depression, still knows what an amortization schedule is - I saw her filling out an online calculator when she pondered taking out a car loan. She never graduated from high school, and as such never went to college.

Ignorance is not an excuse. Anyone should have enough common sense to know that nothing is free in life, and companies are not going to give you free money from a credit card or any other mortgage for life.

There are quite a few people I know who got themselves in debt - some knew what they were doing, some decided to be ignorant - and paid it all off and are now quite wealthy. So yes, once your in debt, you can get out. Its not easy...nor fun, but it can be done.

Again we see the difference between voluntary and involuntary servitude. When I take out a credit card and start charging it up with no intention of paying it off in 1 billing cycle, that is voluntary servitude. When I am forced to work for someone as a condition of my education, even if it is for a good cause, that is involuntary servitude.

Originally posted by deltaboy
That is horrible. This is so dictatorish. Vote for McCain. If the American people are voting for Obama because of this, I want a revolution.

Insane McCain is just another "choice" that they have put out there for us to "choose." It doesn't matter whether we get Yo Mama Obama or Insane McCain. The only choices that would really make a difference are Paul and Kusinich (sp?), and Kusinich is no longer running.

Vote for Ron Paul. Write him in. Otherwise, there is no point to voting. The Demorepublicratans are in the corporate pocket.

Please DD.

It's definitely time for a new rant instead of recycling the same tired agenda.

The only servitude we must submit to in the USA is the one between our ears.

I understand that we have a plethora of current challenges and many of us just feel hamstrung with the present administration and the economy.

Whining will not correct this. If each of us individually are not being a pert of the solution - we are being a part of the problem. IMHO

reply to post by kerontehe


riiiggghhhttt....Cuz we're all so "free".

Glad to see the kool-aid is still delicious for some folks.

Let's not discuss these issues, because "we're whining".

LMAO

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

At least we can still afford our Kool-Aid and our internet. The whining is my personal opinion and may have been inaccurate.

There is a much more than a semantic difference between freedom and liberty.

Your liberty can be compromised by a number of factors; your freedom can only be lessened by yourself. Once again IMHO.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Hey DD. You and I are on the same page on most issues, but I see no problem with this, as long as there are a variety of choices for that service, and it is community related (NOT military-police-security related) and can allow them to experience other day-to-day realities and the value of helping others. It's a shame that it should be mandatory, but 50 hours a year is really nothing at all.



[edit on 9-7-2008 by Silenceisall]

the LA Times.ccom always puts out copy that gets spun into controversy... a glorified rag sheet imho

but, Obamas basis of thinking starts with his Marxist worldview...
he's going to mobilize a bunch of 21st century 'brown-shirts'
whose youthful memory will not 'see' the insidious nature of this program,
but instead will look back at those 50-100 hours of community service as a Lark, where meeting others in their peer group was 'networking'.

Obama is trying to skew public opinion with the idea that in a intimate way, we the citizens owe something back to society, in former paradigms that 'owing something' took the form of giving 2 years of Military service.
(i believe that Israel still has that compulsory service debt which needs to be satisified, someway)
so does Obamas ideology go hand-in-hand with the neocon/zionist worldview...or the socialist/marxist worldviews? or will those handlers, supported by the resources of the controlled media try to evoke the early to mid 20th century view of Americana where we all were duty bound to either go to war or be support so others can do the fighting for us.??

think about it, we(the populace) are again being played like a violin

Of course there's forced servitude in America! It's called "marriage!" HA!

Let's be honest here, when it comes to Barack Obama, Jonah Goldberg is not going to an honest broker. He will do everything possible to spin the man's every word into something nefarious. Moving past Goldberg's spin, I see nothing wrong with this, on the surface. People of Goldberg's political leaning, including people here on ATS, will often complain that we are giving handouts to people for the virtue of the fact all they are doing is breathing. Now when presented with a plan that will ask people to do something in exchange for the money being handed-out ("If you want this money, you will have to work for it) they are unhappy. Goldberg and people like him want it both ways.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Involuntary servitude is alive and well in this country and it is called TAXES. The fact is half of your money go to taxes whether its income tax, social security taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, and on and on and on. Where does this money of YOURS go? Big government which in turn funnels it to the FED or other banks that the government has borrowed money from..at interest of course. Our interest only payment for 2009 is estimated to be around $400 billion dollars. With an income of around 2 Trillion that is 20% of our money going to bankers.

This money is borrowed to be put to all the big government things that the sheeple of America like. So for all those who want to vote for Obama or McCain just realize your just making the problem worse. Your voting for Big Government, Big Taxes, Big Welfare State, Big Police State, Big Nanny State, Big World Police, Big World Feeder, Big Nation Building and on and on....

Happy Voting my little sheeple.

reply to post by mybigunit


Yep, that was the point I made in my OP. We are already TAX slaves and servants to these Elitists, and that isn't voluntary. Try not handing your hard-earned dollars over to these entities and see what happens. Doesn't matter that they're WASTING most of it on their own interests and doing little to help our country.

Now they are flirting with forced community service?

Get in line and be a good little obedient sheeple, because big brother says so!

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Oops i just read the article I didnt read what you wrote I read the article and was so ticked I jumped right over to writing my comments. Obama can take a hike. I pointed out in another thread Obama will be the FDR of today and will pass todays version of a new deal signing away the last of our rights to the government and the international bankers. What sucks is the people will BEG him to do it because he will be doing it for the sake of "the economy"

Originally posted by deltaboy
That is horrible. This is so dictatorish. Vote for McCain. If the American people are voting for Obama because of this, I want a revolution.

Id say its about time for a revolution as well.

However Im hoping Russia gives us a hand. At that point in time we can deal with the ones that caused this mess. Im hoping we change from a republic to a true democracy though. This isnt working. Without true democracy we will still be a corpocracy.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by mybigunit

 

Yep, that was the point I made in my OP. We are already TAX slaves and servants to these Elitists, and that isn't voluntary. Try not handing your hard-earned dollars over to these entities and see what happens. Doesn't matter that they're WASTING most of it on their own interests and doing little to help our country.

Now they are flirting with forced community service?

Get in line and be a good little obedient sheeple, because big brother says so!

Form an offshore Foundation in panama. Form an IBC owned by the Foundation. Form an LLC in the USA owned by the IBC. Use your tax id from the LLC. Never pay taxes again.

Its really that simple.

Then again dont take my word for it, ask Bill Gates,or Rockafeller.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by Memysabu]

Originally posted by Memysabu

Originally posted by deltaboy
That is horrible. This is so dictatorish. Vote for McCain. If the American people are voting for Obama because of this, I want a revolution.

Id say its about time for a revolution as well.

However Im hoping Russia gives us a hand. At that point in time we can deal with the ones that caused this mess. Im hoping we change from a republic to a true democracy though. This isnt working. Without true democracy we will still be a corpocracy.

Um... There is not a country of any significance that is not controlled by those who control the Demorepublicratans. Russia? Ha.

"Divide and Conquer."