How can you tell if your phone is tapped?

reply to post by cheshire cat


Cheshire Cat, What you are describing does sound strange however like other people have rightly said, the techniques & methods used by govermental agencies such as the CIA/FBI/NSA/MI5 etc have developed and improved to the point that if they were tapping your line - you would know nothing about it.

If you have gone and bought new phone then that rules out the possibility of a bug on the handset itself. You mentioned that you have changed all the sockets in your house, do you hear the sound when you plug a phone directly into your master socket?

It could be a problem with the internal wiring in your home.

If your phone company has fitted a new line you would have a new master socket installed in your home, do you hear the sound on this socket?

As mentioned, goverment agencies do not need to place bugs no more, especially with the invention of things like BT 21CN, (where phone calls are transmitted between exchanges through Cisco routers as IP packets) its very possible and a lot easier to "snatch" the call as its in progress.

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Your phones are tapped. However, the urban myth 'click' on the line that happens a few seconds after your called party answers the phone is just that - an urban myth. This 'click' could just as easily be caused by a ground-fault or other 'noise' on the line. If the Feds wanted to tap your phone, they can do it remotely using the ECHELON system or laser microphones aimed (line of sight) at one of the many windows in your house (or car for that matter). If you're still adamant that your phones are bugged, then there are secure phones that can be purchased using 128-bit or higher encryption technology. Also the founder of PGP recently began offering a VOIP service that completely encrypts VOIP calls so that the Feds can't listen in ( zfoneproject.com... ).

A lot of times you might hear an echo in the phone, or here somebody clicking the phone over.

That echo being your own voice, being replayed, sometimes on a cell phone you might pick up somebodies elses reception and be picking up somebody elses conversation, also a possibility.

[edit on 10-7-2008 by menguard]

Keep in mind that what you say in the privacy of your home, and collected illegally, as would be in your case, CANNOT be used against you- even if you were guilty, which you are not.

For those of you that are advising people not to have open conversations that may be considered anti govt.. You should be ashamed of yourself. Are you aware of what you're saying? You are the reason our liberties are being destroyed! This is America. Stand up and stop playing along with this! Think about it. We are having this discussion in America? I say speake your mind- say whatever you want to say to whomever you want to say it. Why is this ok? Why is this acceptable at all? The tail doesn't waig the dog people. The govt. works for you. Of the people, by the people, for the people... "They" depend on your apathy to acheive their agenda.

Well, im going to chime in here. The Feds along w/state govt have all my lines tapped, and you ask how do i know? Not hard to spot the same Crown vics and other unmarked cars that follow me on daily, oh yea i forgot to mention the single engine Cessna that now follows me everywhere i go. i guess i really pissed them off, because after i kept giving them the finger, they switched to aerial surveillance. There have been instances where Ive gone out of town, only to find 4 jumbo 747's following me up and down the highway. So do like i do before i leave my dewling, look up!! planes are like cars, same but different models. I'm not @ liberty to say why i think my cell, work and home phones are tapped, but its just like eachlon, after the mention of some "hot words" every time the next day its like a scene out of every spy movie Ive ever seen, cops, cops and more cops! i even have witnesses to support my story along w/video. This is what i also know, if i drive a friend's car and not one of my personal cars and i turn off my cell, no undercovers follow and plane patterns start to drift from my current location. So for all you guys/gals please be careful and mindful of the things that you say over land and cell phones, cause all of them are tapped. The local,state and federal police have been watching me for about 5 years. Ive also asked experts when will the Govt stop watching, all say there isn't a time limit. One more thing i forgot to mention, I've also gone to bars local and out of town, often what happens is, someone will ask me something so bazzar i know its the police. Once a couple followed me 2 hours away from current location to ask me a questions that would get me indictied. hope this helps. "most watched"

lol well u could buy some security cameras when your a work and see what goes in and outside your area

How can you tell your phone is tapped? If you have a phone IT IS TAPPED.

Very seriously people, the NSA, Echelon and AT&T can most likely capture 70%+ of the _worlds_ traffic and 100% of USA traffic. If the NSA wants to know what you said on Jan 17th 2008 @ 17:42 in a call to your pals I'm fairly sure they can simply queue that file up.

"No way!" you might say. Ask yourself, what do you REALLY know on the subject? What do you REALLY know about technology? It's already common knowledge that with merely the use of one room in an AT&T building 'they' were able to capture massive amounts of data.

So just think of all the neat things they do with those billions of dollars in the ''black budget''.

Ask yourself, which is easier :

1. wait to suspect someone THEN tap them and hope you get the info in time
2. tap everyone and access the records at will

Of course local law enforcement and etc have to do things a bit different - they most likely aren't aware such systems exists however I have little doubt that big brother is ALWAYS listening.

Once states go all 'dictator' they tend to really REALLY like to know what _everyone_ is doing.

It's worth noting that regular consumers can buy memory chips the size of finger nails which hold multiple gigabytes of data at the local electronics store for no more than $25 dollars. So dare to dream what type of storage capacity the NSA is running.

Simply storing every phone call as a low quality mp3 wouldn't even be that hard - a few geeks and enough hardware could figure it out in short order.

I have several 30minute mp3s which don't exceed 5mb. And this is LOW END CONSUMER technology.


ps. you have no way of knowing if you're being ACTIVELY tapped. the ''echo'' has nothing to do with it. do people really think the fbi/cia/nsa is that amateurish that they would allow an echo feedback on taps? not a chance.

[edit on 14-8-2008 by LoveKnowledge]

A friend of mine was driving a truck last year when an oncoming car lost control and collided head on with him. Fortunately he was going down a hill so was going slow, and no one was hurt. Anyway, the driver of the car had had a few drinks and did a "Ben Cousins" (ran away).
When the police attended the scene, they punched in his rego and found out who he was. Within a matter of minutes, the police told my friend, "well, he called his wife immediately after the accident, and sounded out of breath"...

And that's just the state police...

If you were on a 'list' you would NEVER know that your phone was tapped.

They would tap it at the fiber link in the telco operations center and it would all be done by intercepting/duplicating your one's and zero's.

There is no need to do it at a house level anymore unless it is your nosy neighbors.

You should be more afraid your neighbors are stealing your wifi

M

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I am sure I was bugged by JTTF (Joint Terrorism Task Force) after I was raided by L.A. FBI "officials" a few years ago. After the raid, I suddenly heard "clicks" every 30 or so seconds while using the phone. A few months later, after I proved useless to them, the clicks stopped. It's Los Angeles, it's JTTF, it's FBI. But I still heard something. Just telling you MY experience.

My phone line goes dead every Saturday for the past 4 weeks for a few hours and my monitured alarm has indicated that the line has been cut and also my emails come back to me as new messages .Any ideas ?

Originally posted by masawa
If you were on a 'list' you would NEVER know that your phone was tapped.

They would tap it at the fiber link in the telco operations center and it would all be done by intercepting/duplicating your one's and zero's.

You re the voice of reason.

In the good old daze of hard wire and mechanical switches, induction coils were placed on the lines and current bled off for the tap. You never heard clicks or dial tones, or anything from the tapping agency.

Just as Masawa has stated with fiber, its very simple now and you use a splitter switch. Your message continues on, and also goes to where the tap wants it to go which can be a Narus box for storage.

I've been hearing some strange clicks on my phone recently. I know this sounds very old-fashioned compared to the technology of today, etc., but it sounds like when someone picks up on another line in your house, except I know that no one is picking up in the house. Does anyone know what it could be? I don't think this is the feds or anything, I'm asking because for a while, there was this weird doctor that was following me around. Lately, I've been getting some very strange calls. I looked up the address of where the calls are coming from, and the calls are from a store that is very near his office. So, how could an amateur be listening to your phone conversations? Sorry, this is just creeping me out!

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sounds more like something wants yout to believe your lines are tapped.

its been happening to me,but the clicks are done in such a way as to be obvious,they want you to hear ,thus they want you to believe your tapped.

That sounds probable. I've already had 2 agents come to my house and question me about my neighbors. It's gotten to the point that while I'm talking, I start talking to whoever is tapping my phone. It's psychotic I know, but can you really blame me?

they are not feds.they are just pretending to be feds,trust me i have alot of experience with the force behind it.

read some of these
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do you get the picture??,
ats members are being targeting by the machines,they always have been,since day one those who join this site are subject to frequent mind games and psyches.the intention i believe is to keep people away from disovering thier secrets,to keep as many people as possible away from sources of information that would lead to what they are and really up to being discovered.

I don't want to come off sounding snide, but here's the rub. Your phone conversations are not tapped. They are intercepted. All of them.

More simply, How can you tell if your conversation is potentially being listened to?.... does your phone work? If it does then your on the grid.

All digital telecommunications are routed through systems that provide total access to the federales. It's been that way for decades.

Any remaining analog or radio based phone signals are simply collected along with everything else.

"tapping" phones is now something only private detectives and corporate spies do.

The real questions is are you saying anything that might cause a computer program looking for linguistic algorithms to consider it a candidate for focused observation?

Originally posted by Maxmars
I don't want to come off sounding snide, but here's the rub. Your phone conversations are not tapped. They are intercepted. All of them.

More simply, How can you tell if your conversation is potentially being listened to?.... does your phone work? If it does then your on the grid.

All digital telecommunications are routed through systems that provide total access to the federales. It's been that way for decades.

Any remaining analog or radio based phone signals are simply collected along with everything else.

"tapping" phones is now something only private detectives and corporate spies do.

The real questions is are you saying anything that might cause a computer program looking for linguistic algorithms to consider it a candidate for focused observation?

good observation,all they have to do as you say is intercept the digitised sonic information with travels through the network.

thats the draw back of digitalised communication ,its so easy to intercept.i tihnk were better of going back to analogue!

hey how about we get everyone to start talking in code and all suspicious in every phonecall they make ,that would be highly amusing!!,why not apply that to all forms of communication!!,goodbye echelon!

i got the idea from a woman who was an enemy of the aparthied government in south africa,she discovered she was being bugged thus all she did was talk in code about everything

[edit on 19-9-2008 by welivefortheson]