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Originally posted by sos37
And as for arguing with Andrew - forget it, man. I've sparred with him before. It's like arguing with a waffle-iron. If you disagree with him about anything related to Obama you've just been labeled a racist, just like he did to you on page 1.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
Because there is no PURPOSE for an all white channel!
Originally posted by Grand Puba
But I feel a need to not let loose of the fact that it wasn't that long ago!
Originally posted by Grand Puba
Like when you here old folks speak of pearl harbour or when we tell our great, great grandkids about 9/11!
Originally posted by Grand Puba
3.See people like you (not dissin here) like to go back to 1865
Originally posted by Grand Puba
This thing called government oppression of blacks is far from over man!
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Originally posted by Grand Puba
Because there is no PURPOSE for an all white channel!
Just like there is no purpose for an all black channel. That is my point.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
But I feel a need to not let loose of the fact that it wasn't that long ago!
Good. I never said act like it never happened and don't appreciate and consider yourself grateful that you have it better than they did, and thanks to the movements of the 50's, and the sacrifices made then, you do not have to live through what your relatives lived through.
What I am saying is black people need to stop trying to CAPITALIZE on the tragedy of the slavery. Anyone who was not a slave has no right to try to capitalize on it.
REMEMBERING it and CAPITALIZING on it are two different things.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
Like when you here old folks speak of pearl harbour or when we tell our great, great grandkids about 9/11!
People who talk about Pearl Harbor are not trying to capitalize on the event. There are black people who try to capitalize on the slavery. There's a difference.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
3.See people like you (not dissin here) like to go back to 1865
I don't even know what you mean by "like to go back to 1865".
Originally posted by Grand Puba
This thing called government oppression of blacks is far from over man!
We are all being oppressed, man. They don't care what race we are. They want total control and total power over the population. I am just as expendable as you are, and vice versa. They do not favor anyone but themselves.
White, Black, Hispanic, Asian - doesn't matter. Anyone who lives in this country is losing their constitutional liberties and is going to continue to lose them. They use the race card to divide us so we will not unite against them. In all reality, they do not care about race. Power, wealth, greed and control is the only thing they care about.
The civil rights movement was for intergration, not segregation!
Originally posted by xmotex
Lincoln's views on race were a mixed bag and have to be viewed in the context of his very backwards era, but he did end slavery, which by itself got a lot of new black voters to join his party - and convinced many avowed racists to become Democrats.
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Just like there is no purpose for an all black channel. That is my point.!
What I am saying is black people need to stop trying to CAPITALIZE on the tragedy of the slavery. Anyone who was not a slave has no right to try to capitalize on it.
REMEMBERING it and CAPITALIZING on it are two different things..!
[People who talk about Pearl Harbor are not trying to capitalize on the event. There are black people who try to capitalize on the slavery. There's a difference.!
We are all being oppressed, man.!
They don't care what race we are. White, Black, Hispanic, Asian - doesn't matter
Anyone who lives in this country is losing their constitutional liberties and is going to continue to lose them. They use the race card to divide us so we will not unite against them. In all reality, they do not care about race. Power, wealth, greed and control is the only thing they care about.
Originally posted by Dronetek
Please, explain to me why this is acceptable?
Originally posted by Grand Puba
1. Would you call a channel that has featured harrison ford, shia lebouf, mike myers, george bush sr and barbara bush, bill and hillary clinton, mel gibson, ect... As an "All Black Channel?"
Originally posted by Grand Puba
2.How do blacks captalize on slavery? Some solid examples would help!
Originally posted by Grand Puba
3.Guess you never saw "Pearl Harbour" the movie huh?
Originally posted by Grand Puba
You seem to be promoting the idea that things are all equal and fair!
Originally posted by Grand Puba
5.I agree with you about the government only because I know what was done to my people!
Originally posted by Grand Puba
When the chips are down, you wanna be friends, huh?
Originally posted by Grand Puba
I think all races will be forced to unite, but I believe it will happen when we have a HONEST discussion amongst the plans to establish a country based on true democracy and equality!
Originally posted by xmotex
reply to post by Grand Puba
The civil rights movement was for intergration, not segregation!
I think you misunderstood me, I meant that the Republicans lost the loyalties of black voters when they defended segregation against the efforts of the Civil Rights Movement.
Lincoln's views on race were a mixed bag and have to be viewed in the context of his very backwards era, but he did end slavery, which by itself got a lot of new black voters to join his party - and convinced many avowed racists to become Democrats.
The Democratic Party didn't even bother to seriously try to regain black voters' trust until FDR. And the Republicans made the mistake of supporting segregation in the 50's and 60's, losing their remaining black support.
Since then the far right has consistently played on racial fears to get Republicans elected, even when the candidate is not himself particularly racist - I'm thinking of the Willie Horton ad and George Bush Sr.
Now Bush Sr. was an interesting character, who "flip flopped" on civil rights - changed his position and did the right thing, that is. He was originally opposed to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (a very popular position in his district), but by 1968 he had changed his mind and come out strongly against segregation, paying a big political price for it in fact.
He actually appears to have had a genuine crisis of conscience, which he described in a speech (famous at the time) about his thoughts, as a veteran, on the black WW2 veterans who came home to find themselves treated as second class citizens. It's an interesting speech, I'd like to find it somewhere.
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Originally posted by Grand Puba
1. Would you call a channel that has featured harrison ford, shia lebouf, mike myers, george bush sr and barbara bush, bill and hillary clinton, mel gibson, ect... As an "All Black Channel?"
"Black Entertainment Television" is what I have a problem with. And really, its not the idea for the channel or even the channel I have a problem with. Its the fact that I know black people would be offended and would call racism if there was a "White Entertainment Television" channel.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
2.How do blacks captalize on slavery? Some solid examples would help!
Look around society.
Its almost racist to even call black "blacks"!
Then there's this Affirmative Action nonsense. Its not necessary. The benefits of Affirmative Action should be EARNED. It should not be based on the color of your skin.
Even in simple things like commercial advertisements. I'm sure you've seen them, where these commercials depict these social occasions where there is a group of friends or something like that and it happens to have one or two of about every race on the planet. Its just not realistic and looks forced and staged as if to please the "minorities".
And that isn't some pro-white statement on my part. I really could care less what races are in commercials because I tune commercials out anyway. But it irritates me how cheesy and corny it looks, and it irritates me more because I know they didn't do it in their own free will. They did it to be politically correct.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
3.Guess you never saw "Pearl Harbour" the movie huh?
I have. Whats your point?
Originally posted by Grand Puba
You seem to be promoting the idea that things are all equal and fair!
Can you point out examples of where that is happening on a wide scale today?
And do you think it is just whites that are racist? Do you think that blacks do not commit hate crimes against whites?
Originally posted by Grand Puba
5.I agree with you about the government only because I know what was done to my people!
It is not just about 'your people'. It is that attitude that is going to continue to divide people and allow our government to take rights away from EVERYONE.
Just get it through your head that they do not care about race. When they make their power grabs, they won't spare any one race. They want to control everyone.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
When the chips are down, you wanna be friends, huh?
Oh, yes, the tough guy attitude is very impressive.
I'm not trying to unite with you on anything. I'm trying to have you use your common sense and see that our government doesn't care what race we are. We are all going to meet the same fate.
So get this egotistical idea that every race is somehow going to come bowing down to the feet of blacks, begging for unity, all you want, but just realize that you are clouding the issue far beyond what is necessary.
Originally posted by Grand Puba
I think all races will be forced to unite, but I believe it will happen when we have a HONEST discussion amongst the plans to establish a country based on true democracy and equality!
Having an honest discussion doesn't mean making statements like "When the chips are down, you wanna be friends, huh?". Its almost as if you're saying "NA NA NA NA NA I TOLD YOU SO!!!"
Throw "mature" in with the "honest" discussion.
Only when you are ready to accept the TRUTH that the whole world isn't against you and 'your people', and that this government is against us all, will there be a mature and honest discussion on how to handle it.
Originally posted by Dronetek
Imagine if Foxnews said they would only cover the GOP convention, because they were only interested in white achievement"?
newsbusters.org...-656202
"This is a huge deal for TV One, as it is for the African American community," [CEO Johnathan] Rodgers said of Sen. Barack Obama's impending nomination on the Democratic ticket. "African Americans have fallen in love with Barack Obama's...candidacy....We will be covering the Democratic convention all the time."
When asked why TV One wasn't covering the GOP convention as well, Rodgers said, "We are not a news organization. We are a television network designed to celebrate African American achievement. If Hillary...was the nominee, we would not be covering this year's Democratic convention."
Rodgers noted the FCC's equal-time rule for presidential candidates is only for broadcast networks, not cable:
"And you think that's okay, though?" one critic pressed.
"My audience is 93 percent black. I serve my audience," Rodgers said.
So, how is this not racist? Its a good example of what I've been talking about for years. This idea that we cultivate racial pride and even bigotry in all "people of color". While, we hold down white people and teach them that they cant be proud. I mean, we are actually living in a time where segregation seems to be "diversity". Why do we still have black colleges, black TV channels, black caucuses, black churches, etc.?
Please, explain to me why this is acceptable?
Originally posted by jamie83
Originally posted by Dronetek
Please, explain to me why this is acceptable?
It's acceptable because this is America and private companies are permitted to make business decisions how they see fit. If their market is 99% black, and 91% of blacks vote for Obama, they're probably thinking they'd make more profit filling time with black interest topics rather than the RNC convention.
Originally posted by TheInformer
OP your prejudice admit it, how many 'black' shows are on CBS or ABC. I dont watch either channel but im going to guess 0. They probably dont even have andy black main characters in there shows. Lets face it people of color have been murdered, raped and descrimanated against since the white man has stepped foot in this country.
Originally posted by mortalengine
Yes thanks for that nugget of wisdom but you've missed the point watson.
- If the same thing had to be done in the same manner and the same things said in the same way, with the only exception being instead of black it's white - it would be perceived as exceedingly racist indeed.
look below.
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"We are not a news organization. We are a television network designed to celebrate White American achievement. If Obama was the nominee, we would not be covering this year's Democratic convention." ]
How would that fly I recon ?
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