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posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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Actually, I do get out pretty much considering its my job to travel, but you're free to try and insult me however you can. I never said we have the most arrogant people. I said that in relation to speaking another language, in my experience, Americans expect everyone else to speak English. I realize thats a generalization but its how I see it.

Also, the geography of Europe isn't the issue. There are many countries that learn to speak a second language - and I actually mean speak it. I'd love to see the percentages actually.

If you want to bash Obama about something as trivial as this go for it, but if I were him, I'd follow up that stament with..."Not only am I embarrased about that, but I'm also embarrased that our President can't even speak ONE language!"




posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 10:12 PM
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You know I think it is important to try to set our students and future students up for success and lets face it knowing more than one language is a strong advantage, BUT

It is time to get government standards away from our public schools. I have heard EVERY politician since Jimmy Carter use public education as a stepping stone in their campaign, they say they are going to give more money and pay more attention to our kids education and every year it gets worse and worse. Where is this money going?

In grade school it should be back to basics, reading, writing, arithmatic, science........Even Computers should not be taught until about sixth grade...Heck theyll have that down by then anyway. Our mind stands on the basics we learn and they have done away with a lot of that, choosing instead that by sixth grzade they should be learning about alternative lifestyles. That is the bull of it all. You can argue all you want about lifestyle, but our gradeschoolers shouldnt be discussing it. They should be learning the basics.

Onto Jr and Sr. high they should be learning classic studies, Financing, ethics, economics, government and not this one sided stuff you cant say all of the government. Yes even creationism and evolution...dont say dont teach them that, teach them both, let there minds get into discussion and debate, let it be open.

The fact is I have seen just the opposite, more money goes in to taking things like phonics out of the education system and to all cultures that have been slaves before what has allowed a culture to be enslaved by their oppressor, the supression of knowledge... if that is not what is really happening than where is all that money going?.....it is sure not for making are schools safe

You know, with in five years after slavery was abolished (although still brutalized) 7 out of 10 slaves learned to read and took advantage of the fact that knowledge was open to them, now there are plenty of excuses from everyone, Teachers students and parents, I do not know what the statistics for every race is but even for the white folks they are saying only 70% are graduating form high school, now that is pathetic. The only thing the government needs to do with public education, is higher teachers to do what they are supposed to do and make laws that require high school graduation. and they need to stop pilfering money into socialist programs teaching our kids about things they will leran as life comes anyway and or should be learning form their parents......this is the insanity we should stop.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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After this week, I think Jesse Jackson may have had it right.

I am embarrassed by Obama's flip flop on FISA and his showing that he is just another NWO shill.

How disappointing.

Wish Jesse Ventura would run for president.



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 03:49 AM
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Politics is just a game, a theatre if you like. They have all these little tricks of keeping your attention focused on them, so you don't stop and look behind the curtain.

The Fed and the Big Banks are causing the vast majority of the misery in the US and around the world for money and control. They do this by controlling the economy through the Central Banks and by drafting horrible trade deals. Our politicians are complicit by providing the dog and pony show which distracts us.

To me personally, it doesn't seem to matter who gets in. I focus my attacks on the real criminals (the banksters) in our society.



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by xEphon
I never said we have the most arrogant people.

Not arrogant Just that we are idiots. Here is your quote -


Originally posted by Quazga
... Americans are on the tail end of the intellect spectrum these days.



Also, the geography of Europe isn't the issue.

Yes it is. He was specifically talking about Americans visiting Europe and not speaking German, Italian, or French. The REASON the people in those countries speak those languages are because the countries are small and together. There is a NEED to learn those languages over there. However, over here we learn SPANISH because that's the need here.

You didn't read the thread, did you?

We've discussed that SPANISH is the primary second language that is being taught here in the schools and that it makes the most sense.


I'm also embarrased that our President can't even speak ONE language!"

Neither can obama. If it isn't written down in a pretty speech he can't string 3 words together without screwing it up. Obama and Bush are more alike then the Obamatrons want to admit. Neither one can speak well and both are narcisistic ego-maniacs using religious rhetoric in their campaigns (Obama is even worse with the messianic rhetoric).



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 07:53 AM
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I'm also embarrased that our President can't even speak ONE language!"





Oh yeah, Obama is an language acrobat.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by Dronetek]



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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If Obama wants us to learn more languages then I want him to learn more geography especially pertaining to the North American Continent. He should learn how many states are part of the Union of USA and how they border each other.








posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 12:59 PM
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I think he'll lose more and more of his following as he continues making ignorant comments. Two friends of mine who were thinking of voting for him gave up on him recently. His whole "change" thing has worn thin, and only
the most naive people can't see through his used-car-salesman rap.
He CANNOT offer any coherent ideas, much less solutions, for ANY tough\critical\vital issues. He is 99% b.s.
Prove me wrong somebody?



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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I *completely* disagree. His reposnse to Phil Gramm the other day hit a perfect note with me.

I'm more ProBama than I was before, and so are everyone I know. I'm not sure where this "Oh he's falling apart" rhetoric is coming from because I just don't see it.

Personally I think it is generated by the PUMAs



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Quazga
I think it is the *single* biggest factor as to why Americans are on the tail end of the intellect spectrum these days.

So you think that Americans are on the tail end of the intellect spectrum and that they are there because those who go on family vacation to Europe don't bother to learn German, Italian or French for their trip?

Uh .... okay.




If you look at the rest of the globe, on average, the *majority* of populations from different nations speak more than one language.

You didn't read the thread, did you?

- People in Europe live in small countries all mushed up against each other. They NEED to learn German, Italian and French.

- Here in America 2nd languages are offered, and in most cases mandated, by the school system.

- Also, here in America SPANISH makes more sense for us because THAT is what is mostly spoken behind English and because that's the language of our neighboring country to the South.




You keep acting like the only benefit to learning another language is due to a need to learn it. What I'm telling you is that the very fact of learning another language gives you the ability to grasp things that you can't get any other way.

Yes Americans are on the tail in of the intellect spectrum. And not because the people who go on trips don't learn the language of the destination, but because people don't get the essential piece you can only get from learning another language.

You see it's like this. When you first start to learn a second language, you "interpret" it into your mother toungue. And as long as you do this, you still aren't "fluent".

Eventually you will start to simply speak the second language without thinking about it or intepereting it into your mother toungue. Because there are concepts which cannot be translated from one language to another, this allows you grasp not only these other concepts which were once out of reach, but the very idea of difference at a fundamental level.

What happens in the psyche of someone who is fluent in more than one language is that a non-language speaking consciousness emerges. One which can look at any subject with the same difference of perspectives which come along with different languages.



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Quazga
You keep acting like the only benefit to learning another language is due to a need to learn it.


That IS the major reason for learning a language.

BTW .. all those things you said about learning a second language can be gained by learning the SPANISH language AND it is more useful to learn that then the others for those in the USA.



posted on Jul, 11 2008 @ 10:38 PM
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Not arrogant Just that we are idiots. Here is your quote -


Originally posted by Quazga
... Americans are on the tail end of the intellect spectrum these days.


actually that wasnt my quote.


Also, the geography of Europe isn't the issue.

Yes it is. He was specifically talking about Americans visiting Europe and not speaking German, Italian, or French. The REASON the people in those countries speak those languages are because the countries are small and together. There is a NEED to learn those languages over there. However, over here we learn SPANISH because that's the need here.

You didn't read the thread, did you?



I disagree. There isn't a NEED to learn any language other than your own. I'm sure a German could live a perfectly normal and happy life only knowing German. He could even travel to France and Spain and have a happy vacation much like Americans do when traveling to parts of Europe. Yet a lot of Europeans still choose to master another language. Clearly they dont NEED to but there is a certain satisfaction being able to talk to a person in their own language when traveling abroad.



I'm also embarrased that our President can't even speak ONE language!"

Neither can obama. If it isn't written down in a pretty speech he can't string 3 words together without screwing it up. Obama and Bush are more alike then the Obamatrons want to admit. Neither one can speak well and both are narcisistic ego-maniacs using religious rhetoric in their campaigns (Obama is even worse with the messianic rhetoric).


Ouch. Well good thing I'm not an "Obamatron" although I do agree with him on this statement. I made that comment tongue in cheek since you seem to be anti Obama which I can assume makes you pro Republican a la Bush supporter. So if Obama can't speak if it isn't written down...and Bush can't speak even if it is...I would say Bush is the net loser on this one. But I agree on the ego-maniac part - its what I really don't like about Obama.

Cheers



[edit on 11-7-2008 by xEphon]



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Quazga
You keep acting like the only benefit to learning another language is due to a need to learn it.


That IS the major reason for learning a language.

BTW .. all those things you said about learning a second language can be gained by learning the SPANISH language AND it is more useful to learn that then the others for those in the USA.



Another GREAT reason for learning another language is gaining the understanding that I mentioned before. Simply being able to think in more than one language increases your ability to comprehend more complex subjects.

Not only that, but learning Latin is great for understanding the fundamental aspects of many derivative languages, such as Spanish, French, and Italian.

For an amazing example of what I mean, take a look at Uncleftish Beholdings, a beautiful illustration of Atomic theory as told in English without the use of any Germanic words.

See people who don't bother to learn another language, miss this entirely! Yet another great reason to learn another language!

For an even better treatise on the amazing revelations that a study of language can bring check out Douglas Hofstadters La Ton Beau De Marot

Yes indeed, there are many reasons to learn a different language. Sometimes it is the *only* way to communicate an idea. And sometimes, it is the *only* way to have the idea in the first place


[edit on 12-7-2008 by Quazga]



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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A few points.

a) Learning a Foreign Language is worth far less to most Americans than it is to native speakers of almost any other language. Whereas a European, South American etc, makes him/herself far, far more marketable by learning english, than a Native english speaker does by learning allmost any other language, except in specific situations. English speakers have few languages other than those spoken by BRIC nations (Brazil, Russia, India China) which will actually show an adult a reasonable rate of return versus the time needed to learn a language. Like it or not, English is the language of Business worldwide, even and maybe especially, in Europe.
b) Most Americans would recive no economic gain from learning a second language whatsoever, as thier entire lifetime income will be generated in the US dealing with US customers. Despite our globalised economy very few americans actually have to interact with a foreign language to make a living.
c) As someone else wisely pointed out, we would get a far greater return by instead focusing on teaching our children what IS necessary to live in our society. Personal Finance, US Law, the rights and responsibillities of citizenship, basic sciences etc.

Finally, I dont want a president whose embarrased by Americans and admires Europeans. I lived overseas, mostly in Europe, and I found the American way far more admirable and effective. I especially dont want a president who is embarrased by americans and admires europeans based on eltist foo-faw, bad arguments, illogical thought processes and erroneous assumptions.



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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Thanks for posting all the links to this volatile story. Here's the scoop: Americans are to learn Spanish to be part of the NWO's NAU plans. I wish my fellow citizens would wise-up; Spanish will be seen as the language of the lower classes and the melding of our continent into one unit (NAU), yet to be global and competitive, American kids should be learning Mandarin or other Asian languages - as, China will be our greatest competitor on the world stage. I wonder how many Chinese are learning Spanish?? I meet foreign exchange students from Asia and they have learned English and were taught it in school as their teachers knew, English IS the international language overall.
Americans are good people, but they sure are out of touch with reality sometimes - maybe they're working too hard (w/3 low paying jobs) to keep their hearth and home together or they've fallen prey to the media blitz of mindless celebrity news, ad nausium. Every day I see examples of the dumbing down of America - tragic.



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by xEphon
since you seem to be anti Obama which I can assume makes you pro Republican a la Bush supporter.

No. I"m not voting for Obama or McCain. I'm voting for Ron Paul.
Neither McCain nor Obama would be good for America.
Mccain would be the lesser evil, but I'm not voting for a 'lesser evil'.




posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 12:54 AM
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It's ok. I don't want to vote for either, but a vote for Paul puts a vote in Obama's pocket by splitting the vote, smart guy.


That said, I don't care what Obama says about being embarassed by single languagers. I speak English and French myself, anyway, but I am embarrassed by Americans who are ashamed of being Americans. That means that Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosi, and other politicians (I dislike all careerists, including Republican ones, btw) are all in that boat, at least according to my thinking.

[edit on 13-7-2008 by joesomebody]



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 07:23 AM
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posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 08:00 AM
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This guy is uber arrogant in my opinion. He's not even the President yet, but believes he and his idiotic wife have a right to bad-mouth REAL Americans and their way of life.

In my opinion, he and Michelle both need a few remedial English lessons. He talks in riddles, and she comes across as a trash-talking, ghetto dweller. If this is the type of education Harvard provides for it's students, I'm sending my children to a state university..



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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Multiple languages? Hell most americans can't even speak english much less another language.
I'm no slouch when it comes to speaking english. And most ghetto guys I speak with think I'm a cracker. Simply because I can speak well.
Which is extremely funny because my family is hispanic and I speak spanish as well. Well, not very well, but enough to get by.

Maybe what Obama should be saying is that we all need to speak better english and pick up another language as well. Because it would only help you in the long run.

Obtw. I 100% think that everyone that lives in this country should be speaking english as their primary language.
You don't go to China or Russia and expect them to speak your language.





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