For varying reasons, none of which are relevant here, I haven’t visited ATS for some time. Now and again I’ve flitted in and out, purely to scan new posts and gauge the condition of ufology. In equal amounts, I find that nothing seems to have changed, and that we’re still grasping at anything and everything that could possibly justify our beliefs. I’m not sure if that’s a breath of fresh air, or the same old stale exhalations.

I feel my sojourn has been healthy. I’ve found the time to rest, to realise what is important in life. It has given me a much needed break from the persistent feeling of urgency one experiences when dealing with this subject. Maybe this urgency, this need to know the truth, is what pushed me away from ATS, indirectly, in the first place. IMO, we can’t know the whole truth.

How can you begin to understand a truth that is fluid in its manifestation, that alters its form depending on the experiencer, and that seemingly transforms to suit cultural variations and evolutionary belief systems? We’re being kept in a state of flux for some reason. It’s that reasoning that was driving me to distraction.

Since I left, I have had little to do with the subject. I was surprised that I did not miss it, nor did I feel inclined to pursue it. Other, far more significant matters occupied my waking hours. I highly recommend this course of action, though admit it may not suit everyone. Each to their own.

One purpose for my continued absence was an almost overwhelming obsession with the fact that I haven’t seen a UFO. I accept the testimony of other, genuine and sane folk who have. I accept and admire those professionals who have stepped up to the mark and voiced their experiences without fear of ridicule. They’re not all making it up. Intelligent people see unexplainable things.

I consider myself intelligent.

But I have seen diddly squat.

This brings me neatly to the reasons I have returned, briefly, to ATS. But first, a disclaimer.

Certain aspects of ufology make, and always have made me feel uncomfortable. They sit uneasily on a comprehension, standpoint and awareness of the world it has taken me over four decades and a lot of soul-searching to refine. To acknowledge these aspects could possibly be real, for some reasoning I cannot understand considering the outlandish nature of the subject, clashes jarringly with my world-view.

I’m talking about close encounters and abductions.

The following is not easy for me to type, for all manner of reasons. To elaborate on the motives for me posting this thread, I think the easiest thing is to simply give you a list of occurrences without any comment from me other than to say they’re personal:

Infrequent, but vivid dreams of UFOs. These are clear as day, bizarre in their complexity and full of strange imagery. Often, they include me handling and operating odd hardware. Most recent (last night) included a broken sphere dropped by a UFO. I awake feeling that the dream has left me with something that I’m supposed to understand but am totally missing.

Frequent bruises and cuts on my arms and hands found after a night’s sleep. Though small, they’re sufficiently painful to draw attention when showering.

An awareness of lights. This is hard to elaborate on, but the latest happened (two nights ago) just before I awoke. I felt as if I were in the process of lying down, and then craned my neck to glimpse a strong, but focused golden light shining through my bedroom curtains just as I became conscious.

Constantly tired after sleep.

Flitting shapes glimpsed out of the corner of my eye. Nothing, I hasten to add, that has any distinct outline.

On Saturday last, my wife noticed that her mobile phone’s clock was around twelve minutes fast. We laughed it off as an annoying glitch. I didn’t think, or feel the need to check mine. Later that evening, as we were returning from a dinner date, I noticed that my phone was also twelve minutes fast. I told her, we looked at each other and whistled the Twilight Zone theme. We have the same model of phone. They are both kept in the bedroom overnight.

This one is the most thought provoking. Last night I had trouble sleeping. Lying on my side, facing the bedroom window, I dozed fitfully. I opened my eyes and think I saw an indistinct shape crouching next to me. It didn’t disturb me, this classic grey with its face turned three-quarters away, which was obscured in the manner of the “Predator’s” invisible camouflage. It had a fuzzy, glass-like appearance. I held its gaze, and I felt as if it were uncomfortable with the attention. The first thought that sprang into my head was; ‘I can see you, you know?’ I fell to sleep straight afterwards.

So, there you have my confessions. I have a thousand rational explanations demanding to be heard for each of these occurrences. I also have a conditioned explanation that has been instilled upon me by my thirty year interest in UFOs. I’m not professing any elucidation of these incidents, yet. They may be related, they may not. Coincidence is a powerful method of convincing even the most horribly logical mind.

What say you, ATS?

Once again, and as many others have discovered on ATS, if a thread doesn't have tabloid headlines, or isn't overtly confrontational or repetetive in its subject matter, then it is discarded.

Sour grapes? No. Just one of the reasons that I've been steering clear of these boards. I can't help but feel that I should have headlined this:

HAVE I BEEN ADBUCTED??????

as then I surely would have gotten at least one answer.

But the truth is that's just not me, and that screaming banner was not what I was asking. All I wanted was some rational, or thought-provoking feedback. Some kind of helpful suggestions as to what could have been purely co-incidental, but nonetheless an intruiging set of events. Heck, even a straight:

'Nope, you ain't been abducted. You just need to stop worrying about things that are out of your control. And try valerium. Helps with the sleep.'

If anyone deems to read this aggreived bump, and can bring themselves to reply to my post, then thanks.

This thread is kinda difficult to respond to.If some one would say yes you are being abducted how would they really know? If some one would say no you're not being abducted the same thing how would they know?I have had a missing time episode followed by really strange dreams of a weird exam by what seems to be faceless doctors.Was I abducted? I just don't know. In the past I have awaken in the morning with dirty feet and dried leaves on my sheets at the foot of my bed.Was I abducted? Again I don't know.All signs may point to it some have told me,but with out any proof or memories of it I will not say that I was. I don't think there are any cut and dry answers what I can say is that I have had weird things that has happen to me that I can't explain.

The whole abduction thing with out any clear memories of it is very tricky.I have found the best thing you can do is reflect on it talk about it if you wish but don't expect any real answers. If we are lucky we may find the answers one day if not life will go on but just with personal mystery they may never get solved.

The things you mentioned are certainly signs of "their" involvement with you, and probably your entire family. I also have signs, and a history of sightings of crafts, always with family and friends, now my children, since I was 3. My mother told me of a strange obe she had when my uncle had tried to explain the theory of relativity to her. She was aboard a craft where they explained it to her. She said the pilate was shortish by North American male standards, maybe 5 foot 5, red hair, but she spoke with blue skinned humans. When it ended, she maintained the knowledge for only a short time. Now I used to reflect upon her story for many years as a child, and have tried to have an obe myself, but could never do it.
I say a grey when I was around 5, in fact that was roughly the age I was in a strange dream like memory of a possible abduction with my younger brother. I told my mother about seeing this. Never knew what it was until recently with all the pictures on the net. This was before we moved to the farm, and I remember the house well. I was always terrified at night in that house, and would wake up and swear I saw a vampire or something, and crawl into my parents bed, and then a little climb in with my brother in his room.
Then quite a few more sightings of crafts. I have had strange small marks on my arms that don't itch or really hurt for that matter, but take quite a while to heal. The last time, one above my wrist finally healed up 6 weeks ago to 2 months. But I have small scars on my upper arms from them. I have woken up with bruises all my life. I sleep very deeply. My thyroid completely shut off, and I now have chronic fatigue syndrom, so my sleep is usually deep.
My 17 year old son saw a small humanoid shape going down the stairs, late at night, and hid in the bathroom for a long time, he was so alarmed. This was pretty shortly after our sightings this year on April 12, and May 17 (the latter being a low flying triangular craft over our home that made a strange low vibrating pulsing sound).
I havent had any indications of anything strange lately, except yesterday my 6 year old, who has apraxia and is delayed in learning to read and write, waking up and saying he knows Japanese now. Then he drew a cross between a backward c with a line through it and a stylized backward e. I found some alien scripts and he started tracing them, then in a bit hiragana, which he had lots of fun with. This could be just a strange coincidence. He said he dreamed about climbing up a mountain and some monsters.

Theres lots of websites that give the signs of being abducted. I've been toying with some kind of hypnosis, but I equally don't feel like I want to be messed with in a non-diplomatic abduction scenario, rather than contact.
I know they can read our thoughts, apparently scan us all the time, from various accounts given, but even from the sighting in April of this year. Just prior to the sighting I was having a inner political rant. Thinking of women and children the world over, and in Africa, everywhere, and good men, I was thinking emphatically, that "they represent the human race!" as opposed to the PTB. I stood up, and felt rooted to the floor and couldn't move for a moment. Weird, and scary energy built up around my forhead to crown. Though I supposed wordless, it felt as though the words, with emphasis, shot into my mind: "WE represent the human race!" Thinking I was definately losing it, I went outside for a smoke and looked up... My 4 boys 6-17 spent 5 minutes seeing it as well as it hovered, waving, saying "We come in peace!", climbing our shed, and creating a commotion. I was afraid they may be targeted for a kidnapping and kept trying to get them inside. Also due to the message I assumed there were hybrids aboard.
Now that I know they are telepathic, and read our thoughts for sure, I go outside most evenings and sky watch, and mentally tell them that diplomatic methods would be far better, and tell them things, and suggest that since they may be our older brothers and sisters in the universe, our Parent will not allow the 10 year old to hurt the 6 year old, so pay attention, or bad Karma will follow. I'm hoping by doing this once in a while, especially when I sense something, to offset any more secretive stuff that could be occuring with our family.




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I'm a little confused as to the question you're actually asking us. Are you asking if you've been abducted or just want to know what we think of your story ?

I'll first thank you for taking the write a well written and though out thread with plenty to go off and lots of detail. It's certainly an interesting story and should have provoked alot of debate but alas I think you are correct about the whole thread title issue added to the fact you've included alot of detail so there's not too many questions left to ask for most of the people who will ask the same questions!

My only real question for this thread though is do you have any evidence to support your story like pictures etc ? Perhaps start setting up a camcorder before you go to sleep facing towards you in the hope you can maybe capture some of this activity on film ?

flagged & starred as I'm curious how this pans out for you

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I can't really say you have been abducted but the 12 minutes time difference, the cuts you seem to experience after you get up, the vivid dreams...it kind of sounds like abduction but then again, I haven't been abducted so I am not sure if these things are coincidence or simply signs of it.

What I would do though, is to write down your dreams 'vivid dreams' as soon as you wake up and each day after work (once your mind is somewhat relaxed and free of stress from work) study your notes based on your dreams, see if there is a pattern and what you believe they are trying to tell you. Perhaps it is a hidden message based on your vivid experience.

Do you practice meditation, going deep into your subconscious mind to see if you can make sense of this occurrences? This being you say you've noticed crouching beside you, have you tried telepathically talking to 'IT'? When you said you told IT that you could see it, did you get a mental image of some sort, as if IT tried to reply back?

Keep us posted to help you try to make sense of this. Maybe your experiences and your way about this will help someone else going through the same experience as you.

Cheers!

To be honest, it is not the sort of thing I'll discuss openly. Here, on ATS, I'm relatively anonymous. In real life, I wouldn't dream of braoching the subject to my family. That's how difficult I find it.

I really empathize with you here -

love this site - and I'm willing to follow an idea almost anywhere -

love ideas - and intellectual exercise

when it comes to my own experiences however - that's a little harder

I'm also a pretty analytical, logical person - regardless of what I believe is possible

my family is enough like me that we can share anything - but - in the closet mostly as far as sharing with the rest of the world

not even because it embarrasses me - but because I too wonder if it's a "glitch" in my basic makeup

and we can't have that - can we? :-)

sometimes I think it would actually be comforting to have someone just declare me officially off my nut

but, no such luck - so - just get to ponder it for the duration

carry on regardless...

in any case - the book is helpful in demonstrating how you can know things without actually knowing

I'd be interested to hear back sometime if you do read it - and see if you get what I mean

I held its gaze, and I felt as if it were uncomfortable with the attention. The first thought that sprang into my head was; ‘I can see you, you know?’ I fell to sleep straight afterwards.

I really meant to mention before - this made me laugh out loud

seriously - I know it was not a good moment for you

but - I like that a lot

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

I held its gaze, and I felt as if it were uncomfortable with the attention. The first thought that sprang into my head was; ‘I can see you, you know?’ I fell to sleep straight afterwards.

I really meant to mention before - this made me laugh out loud

seriously - I know it was not a good moment for you

but - I like that a lot

Yes, on reading that a second time, my laid-back reaction does come across as humorous. I've already said that I didn't feel any kind of apprehension. Relaxed curiousity would be the more apt description, along with mild feelings of concern. Little invisi-grey didn't look a happy bunny.

As to your empathy with my situation, well, I thank you, and agree with your sentiments regarding the personal qualities of this kind of event.

Maybe my mind-set is altering. If it is, then it is an unconscious process, I think. Icannot rationally begin to undertsand why I'd let this kind ofthing happen in my solid, stable life. Perhaps it's a form of growing up. If that's the case, I am at a loss as to how much more growing up I can do.

Hi Beamish, sorry I'm late, but definitely here...

Question one: How do you think that your experiences differ from a "genuine" contact?

You seem to dismiss the obvious non-typical aspects of your nightly wanderings, and then, without giving them a name or a qualification, you start by simply stating you haven't seen "squat".

Would it be different if they spoke back? Maybe, but then again, it is not always necessary.

Question two, VERY important: Have you tried in anyway to deepen your "understanding" of your experiences?

Guided meditation, deep concentration paired with genuine desire for the truth, even hypnosis are tools that can be useful in opening doors which are ONLY APPARENTLY closed...

The seriousness of any research into knowledge, has to lead to ever expanding our methods of communication and perception, for these are the medium through which we enter into communion with the "reality" where we reside.

To say "I don't understand", and then let the mind be immobilized by the intellect, will lead us to see THE SAME THINGS EVERY TIME WE LOOK OUT THE WINDOW.

Do you follow me?

Hope to hear your comments soon...

Originally posted by Beamish
Once again, and as many others have discovered on ATS, if a thread doesn't have tabloid headlines, or isn't overtly confrontational or repetetive in its subject matter, then it is discarded.

Nope. Actually, guilty of reading far more than I respond too, I first had a much appreciated chuckle at the head line as it pinged off some distant martial arts connotation that I couldn't figure for it's vagueness in my memory, poetically overlayed onto aliens....I didn't know I needed a laugh til I had one, there was no choice but to *click*.

Reading fully for politeness, to give full respect to the thoughts of the author for whose missive I had committed to clicking, I became wonderfully sedated through the weaving of the words as the plot rose and fell, ending nothing where I'd expected it, yet as softly as a kiss on a summer's morning.

And in keeping with the sense that you described as it was as you fell asleep; I lost neither the interest or the want to respond. It was just such a calming tangle of words that wheras I would have thought for imput to click reply, I had to question myself, which caused me pause, enough that I couldn't respond.

All these years no UFO, but a shy uncomfortable ALIEN in your bedroom?
I think he may have caught you thinking and were fumbling for communication in your way wheras it might not be his second nature.
Him under the camera's eye for a change. Cyclically engaging. That is really neat. Are you afraid? I mean, you only wanted to see UFO's. I imagine UFO hunters to be somewhat detached in that they want to see the craft first and foremostly (I mean this in an abstract way)-but what you got was something different. And not even fully.

Like going to see a classic car, but instead getting to meet it's famous driver, only to have him smile at you as he hands you a signatured photo of himself: without the car.