The Girls gone wild effect - ( contains elements of human sexuality)

Guys are attracted to girl or girl - fact. (not 100% before you start replying "I don't"...DUH)
Girls are not attracted to guy on guy.

Now quite why this is the case I have no idea. But I don't get upset by it. It's a fact of life. However, allowing yourslef to be duped by a display of girl on girl is your fault. You are as likely to duped into buying 300 widgets at 2 for 1 on offer despite never having ever consumed a widget in your life. The power of advertising.

I notice the moral outrage, relgious angle, creeping in. Here's a fact for you : not one species of animal has ever been observed to NOT indulge in homosexual activity. In other words, it's perfectly natural. Genetics is uncovering the truth of this observation. Tough, deal with it.

What you see are survival instincts, and nothing less. Women are taught at a young age either by their family, or peers about the power behind sex. I found that most of my friends ended up having sex for the first time between the ages of 12 and 15 a couple as early as 10. Not because they wanted to, but because they felt they had to for one reason or another. From that moment their lives changed. The lesson learned is different for each girl. Some believe it is the only way a man will ever want them. Some believe if they dont thier safety will be at risk. Some find it easier to convince themselves at a young age that it is fun, so it doesnt hurt so bad. And yes, some realize it is the best way to controll a person male or female. Either way, its all about surviving.

I understand a lot of your views. They are views most likely comming from decent people who cant imagine how many men out there take what they want however they need to. A lot of men will not hear the word no. They will mess with a womans head, emotions, whatever to get what they want. If the woman ever tries to say she doesnt want to or even suggest he made her in one way or another, she gets the worst criticism a woman can get from her peers. No Im not talking about being called a whore or a skank. A woman who implies rape or statutory rape completely isolates herself from all social circles, unless she is violently beaten by a stranger in ends up in the hospital.

Those girls I mentioned didnt have sex with other 12-15 year old boys. It was with young men who went after them because they could controll their little nieve minds. The 10 year olds I spoke of had sex several time with men because their Dad wanted $$.

Personally I dont think parents realize how much their kids need them at that age. They can cook, clean and take care of theirselves so they are left on their own too often. They become sitting ducks for perverts everywhere, and they can be talked into opening the door a lot easier, especially if they think they would seem cool to others. They need their parents no matter how much of a pain in the ass they are at that age.

reply to post by LordBaskettIV

Dear God, I had no idea. My question is how the hell people can do such a thing. I realize that men and women alike can have bad intentions, but can greed be such a major issue to destroy someones life or many years of it over the sake of money? Is money really that big of a deal?
Really, I guess, we all make it was it is. If money didn't get us anything, then nobody would want it. And it is the society that makes it that way. When kids are happy that they received something that no other kid did, the first thing they say is look what I go. Teaching children to be jealous, or to want what others have. And I think in that essence is when we first go wrong. But God. How can someone treat another human being like that? That's the most disrespectful and disturbing bit of news that I have heard all day.

God, people get a grip!

There is also a Guy's gone wild video, which is slightly if possible, even more disturbing, and it does show the 'same' qualities that of girls gone wild. They would have to have some issues also, either that or they might just not possibly care. It is very disturbing to think that men would resort to that type of work in order to get paid. Or is it possible that they were drunk too?? Highly doubt it.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by ConMi27]

This may be slightly off topic to a degree, but boy do I hate alcohol!!! I have seen so much ludicrous behavior from people due to alcohol consumption (as I'm sure have many others here).

Make it Illegal already, please!!! Its a scourge upon this planet. We would be way better off without it. It frustrates me to no end that its socially acceptable to get together in large quantities and get drunk. Again, I feel as though I'm living in the Twilight Zone sometimes.

As far as the actual subject matter is concerned, this behavior is all I see anymore when I go to any social event. I see it on TV, at the bar (where I go to karaoke once a week, and no I don't get drunk), at parties. I sit and think how this stuff could be possibly be important to people, its beyond my comprehension. Why do people sell themselves out? Get laid get laid get laid. , boobs boobs boobs, beer beer beer. Count me out.

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reply to post by mental modulator



" But I wonder what compels so many young women to taunt and tease a video camera and or engage in homosexual contact for the hell of it and a tee shirt?"


The "chum" girls are paid to prime the engine, to get things going, then it's a case of monkey see monkey do.

In other words, whores are paid to get things going, then peer pressure kicks in, along with some booze, and the 3 ring circus starts.

and the owner/promoter gets to laugh all the way to the bank

and society goes down another notch

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Wow it takes you a minute or two to get off on those ads on television during the night. If you had more consideration and actually read all these posts then you could understand the repurcussions this has on society today.

I was at a girls gone wild event last night.

It pretty much sucked, the only girls getting naked were strippers. Its not like they make it out to be, this was ''the quest for the wildest bar in America''

The strippers do it for the money, AND for the attention. They crave attention so bad, attention is their drug. They didn't work out so hard and pay so much for their assets not to get noticed.

So if you want to know why girls do it? Attention and Money, and the chance to be famous.

But...

Several girls were going near the RV because they had an open bar for the girls considering camera time. All in all they got several girls drunk and I think all but 2 backed out.

So its not like you see on the videos, girls just came for attention and free drinks and most of them left the night with their dignity.

sad part is, we are witnessing a degenerative part of human social behaviour.

its gone so far even that denial is a common basis for social structure.

i guess you could even go as far as saying promescius amazon warriors and drone men just do their part in this tivoli of Voyeurism where you watch your self being filmed

i guess freud would have said something like ,

the men behind these films shows a lack of love during their earlie stages of life , it can be witnessed throu their actions of concouring their counterpart willingly or unwillingly throu such extreme ways as to drug or intoxicate them before mating ,
it can be described as a projection of their helplessness in an early stage of their life, as to have been left alone or not have been breast fed,
it can even be a lack of motherly structure or a denile of social placement in their background enviroment.

i guess I could go on and amuse myself even more but it wont put thouse who make this kind media excrete in jail.

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by Astyanax

 

If I could flag your post I would... You got something there-- the balance of the "sexual" powers are shifting. This is what I would like to elaborate on...

What are the repercussions on society and traditional institution?




[edit on 10-7-2008 by mental modulator]

Well, for one thing you have women sexually harassing men now. It seems they've waited decades to objectify and demean men the way their predecessors were when they first entered the workforce.

In response to Scurvy, you said:

Why are prominent female scientists, doctors, engineers, spiritual leaders, or other figure heads not given the media attention?

I think this is very important. I think the reason that these women are not put on a pedestal in the same way as actresses, etc. is that they are not as attractive. Even today in 2008, it's not enough to be a PhD, an astronaut, a doctor; a woman has to be a hot PhD, a hot astronaut, a hot doctor. It's not enough for a woman to do her job well or even better than most; she also has to look pretty and smell good while doing it. It's not enough for a woman to be the Secretary of State - she has to be hot too. When most people (present company excluded) see Condi they don't think "Damn, that woman didn't let anything stop her." They think, "Damn, that woman needs a new haircut and some eyeliner."

However, there is a flip side to this. If a woman is too attractive she is not taken seriously. Ever, no matter what her job is. People assume she's a bimbo, that she got to her position by sleeping with someone, that she's just eye candy. The point is, whether a woman plays up or plays down her looks it ends up hurting her. No matter what a woman does it is simply never good enough.

Attractiveness/sexuality is a double edged sword that cuts women down no matter which way they turn and no matter how they play the game.

This is what wrong with America no morals and no jesus?

I think we can be safe to say that the liberals are to blame for this...

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" girls just came for attention and free drinks and most of them left the night with their dignity. "


wow! some good news out of that!

glad to hear it...

reply to post by nahsik

Hi there, nahsik. Thank you for the linking the introduction to Ariel Levy's book, Female Chauvinist Pigs, to your post. I think that article supports one of the (far too many) things I was trying to communicate in my overcondensed and inarticulate earlier post.

Let me try again. You said

I'm glad i'm not the only one who has seen the problem with post modern feminism.

Well, actually, it isn't postmodern feminism, or any kind of feminism, that is the problem. You were right to add

If I could or should even call it that.

because it certainly isn't feminism that's causing girls to -- ahem -- go wild. It's just the same old same old, and it goes like this:

1. Girl hangs it out and shakes it to get boys' attention
   
2. Boys joust with one another until clear winner emerges
   
3. Girl goes home with winner
   
4. Babies ensue

Corollary:the more girls present, the more the hanging out and shaking, and the one that shakes it best goes home with the winning boy.

This is instinctive human sexual behaviour and there's only so much feminists (or anyone else) can do to change it. I said in my earlier post that human sexuality is protean, and indeed it is; but the basics are always there, however hard culture and society try to eliminate or alter them.

For feminists and male chauvinists alike, this is a scandal.

That's the reason why Ms. Levy is so upset. She's outraged that women who claim to share her feminist ideals still dress and act in ways calculated to madden the men. She doesn't get why, liberated as they now believe they are, they still want to be sex objects. She doesn't get why she herself has taken to wearing a thong*. She's asking herself -- what in the name of St. Germaine and the Blessed Martyr Betty is going on here? Why are we still pandering to these male icons and fantasies of sexuality?

To anyone who accepts the biological roots of human behaviour, though, it's easy enough to understand. Men may encourage, even pressurize women to behave this way -- as some of the posts in this thread prove -- but they don't really have to; women, left to their own devices, will make sex objects of themselves anyway.

You don't believe me? Look to the evidence from history and anthropology; it's clear enough.

A feminist would say: ah yes, but all women, since the dawn of time, have been coerced into those behaviour patterns by men, who are bigger and stronger and more aggressive than they are and have no compunction about using force to make women do what they want. So the evidence from history and anthropology means nothing.

Fair enough. But then, what shall we make of the fact that, in societies where women are totally dominated by men, where they have been reduced to the status of chattel slaves, you never see girls letting it all hang out in public? On the contrary, they'll be covered in enveloping robes of black, peering out at the world through tiny eyeholes in the fabric. Or be togged up drab, boxy floor-length dresses and bonnets (the white woman's veil). Or trussed into geisha costumes that completely alter the shape of the body and hide the woman's real features behind a clown mask of makeup. Or... but you get the picture.

In some of these societies (Coptic Christian, for example), women are even surgically mutilated in an attempt to make them feel less sexy.

That, not Girls Gone Wild, is what you get when male chauvinist pigs dominate the culture. The lap-dances, stripteases and all the rest still take place, but behind closed doors; the appreciative audiences are men who essentially already own those particular women.

Conversely, whenever and wherever women have been allowed to wear what they like, they've always ended up wearing less clothes than men, flaunting their sexuality to whatever extent they can get away with it. That's the birds and the bees for you.

Well, then: as I said before, sir_chancelot and you, nasik, have a point... but only up to a point.

The empowerment of women has enabled them to take back control of their own sexuality. That is, for the most part, a great boon. It means that women are no longer forced to be baby machines, domestic chattels, marital-rape victims and punchbags. It means they get to keep their clitorises and let the bones in their feet grow normally. And (to the profound relief of men such as I) it means that ordinary, decent fellows are no longer obliged to dominate and dictate to their women, treating them as inferiors and keeping up a hopeless charade of male superiority, just because society expects it of us.

Still, the empowerent of women is not an unmitigated blessing; like just about everything, it has its dark side. Some young women, given control over their own sexuality, will simply follow the promptings of nature and use their newfound freedom to turn themselves into sirens, sluts and croqueuses des hommes. All women are wired to do this, but most, like the wonderful Merigold, will exercise a certain self-control, displaying such behaviour only under circumstances they consider both appropriate and safe. Others -- especially the younger ones who are smack-bang** in the middle of the great sexual contest, will not be so sensible. Some of them will end up on Girls Gone Wild -- or on the streets.

Should we blame feminism or liberalism for this? I am sure the would-be patriarchs (and we've been hearing from them, too, in this thread) would. And certainly, the postmodern take on feminism acts as an enabling factor in this sort of behaviour for women who are feminists in the first place. But as I said in my earlier post, very few women on GGW are feminists.

Blame the emowerment of women, if you like; put it up there in the dock alongside horniness, the media revolution and the profit motive. But don't blame feminism, because the poor old feminists are as upset about the girls-gone-wild effect as the patriarchists are.

*And if that didn't clarify matters for her, nothing will.

**If you'll pardon the expression.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by Astyanax]

A lot of the posts have very good points, especially the one mentioning rape.

Rape has a profound effect on a person, repeated rape even more so. In conjunction with the many sources that teach women that their worth stems from their sexuality, it's enough to cause more of this behavior to occur on a wider, more public scale. Especially as this behavior is now more socially acceptable, for better or worse.

While I have never been taped I have exhibited similar behavior partially due to lack of self worth. I was taught through experience that this was what was wanted of me.

I was sexually molested when I was two/three by, my mom's boyfriend. Repeatedly raped and abused by my brother when I was 11. Randomly molested walking down the street at 13 by a stranger. Again touched inappropriately at 13 by a 7 year old!!! I told him right off, but it's worth noting that this attitude towards women starts young. At 15 I got drunk and a bunch of boys thought nothing of telling me that they took pictures of my breasts when I was passed out. It was my first time drinking and I didn't know my limits. A friend told me they lied but I don't know for sure.

I rarely drank to excess after that but at a party when I was 19 I was molested by no less than two boys at different times. At that point I didn't even care anymore.

When you get to the point that you don't care, it's easy to end up on GGW or up end up a slut/prostitute/whatever.

Thankfully I have some dignity leftover and I'm not in GGW or a whore but I certainly get how people can get to that point.

I think it has a lot to do with the shift in American society's desensitized culture. Even though nudity in public is no way a new thing, think Mardi Gras and Woodstock. A lot of the women shown are slightly to even more intoxicated, partying hard. It's kind of like how people post scantly clad pictures on the internet sites, such as MySpace. They want fame and some just want to be noted for doing such a risky thing. Not to mention being paid or given further 'good' paying work in the industry.
What they don't think of is the consequences, especially it being on TV. When I was 19, I was almost pressured into adult nudity(was pre Girls Gone Wild). So it seems it's a common issue for younger women.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by dreamingawake]

Many posters have hit the nail directly on the head on this topic, although many did it from many different ways and from a different philosophical background, but the amazing thing that most aspects match a final conclusion.

I think that most will agree that the only kind of energy we are free to expose in our modern society is unfortunately the sexual kind. Although that might not be necessarily a bad sign about how our ethics will develop in the future as a race since sexuality is hardcoded in the human brain for the major desirable goal of our species survival.

We have to question our society. Old people and the ways they think and raised their offsprings instead of questioning the modern behaviors of the young people. Question men for their apathy to ponder for the core reasons on why modern women seek to attract attention.
In the partnership of a man between a woman, a man has to lead and a woman has to follow. Whoever has failed to realize this, is not leading a very successful life. If we are beginning to notice failure in having this type of partnership happening, then we should question the our ways and reasons of doing this.

Modern people, not just women, have to compete in a myriad of ways more than older generations used to.
A modern young woman has to be ultra gorgeous (thats the role model) and young men have to become the ultra rich and confident stereotype, when at the same time everybody lives in an unstable world where no one really knows what the future may bring.

It is impossible for a healthy human brain male or female to actually conceive a healthy formula of behavior and desired goals when we live in such an unstable world/society. Long term goals are missing we could focus as a human community, faith in ourselves is missing. In other words, the building blocks of a future prospering society are missing but the young ones are still doing efforts to express their energy but we have left them with very few flavors for them to choose how they will do this.

If the older generations didn't have a clear certain road map of where we should go as a species, or where we should already have been, then how can the newer generations express themselves in what we would call constructive ways of self behavior?

Being sexual is not bad, at least the young ones follow the primal core programing etched in our brains from an all wise Creator. Even when everything we constructed in our society fails, reproduction won't be affected, the human species have to just let another generation develop that may or may not fix our current problems.

If reproduction is assured, fear nothing. The only way to our continuance as species is assured is by being sexual. How many of us, sitting hours after hours behind a keyboard exercising our brain cells only in thought processes and finger movements are being sexual? What do we do to ensure survival of our species? Why do we have to always judge what others do that we don't?
Clearly everything in our world has failed, but sexuality cannot fail. It only leads to reproduction. We are arguing about it being good or bad or excessive because we never took some time to understand how human social mechanics work.

My 2 cents.

[edit on 11-7-2008 by spacebot]

Originally posted by Scurvy
reply to post by razor1000

 

I can't ignore it when it's EVERYWHERE, nor do I want it to be removed completely as I do enjoy the sight of a nice female body. GGW and other related material could be found offensive though, I'm not going to lie and act like I've never enjoyed porn, I'm human, but it is degrading. How would you like to find out one of your female relatives have done a porn shoot? How about a girl you fall in love with and find out she's on video at Mardi Gras? It's a sickening thought. If you could stomach that then go hard and be a supporter of the degradation of society, if you don't like that thought then I would not go around trying to excuse it. It's a corporation based on exploitation.

The Jackass shows were not even in the same league as porn. They were a bunch of guys goofing off and doing rancid things for laughs. They only hurt themselves.

no they inspired a generation to hurt themselves just like the wrestling did on the tv.

you cant control what grown ups do but you can trach your kids right from wrong. unfortunatly some parents are morons anyways so this is what happens!