The Girls gone wild effect - ( contains elements of human sexuality), page 3

I support it with every ounce of my being.


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reply to post by LordBaskettIV

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Thanks man, good post.
What also needs to be addressed is the lack of basic respect that many young men these days have for women and girls in general, which is what leads, in my obsevations, to the manipulative behavior and normalization of rape mentality. It's really crazy what people can accept for ironic "kitch" value too. I was in Ottawa on sunday to see the Blues festival, a pretty family oriented kind of affair. Which is why thousands of folkies and seemingly educated types thronging to see Snoop Dog sing "B*&#@es aint # but hoes and tricks!" kinda blew my mind.

man the censor police is all over this post ahhahaha


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It's a product of the decline in moral values first and foremost. 20 years ago those commercials would have been allowed on TV at all.

The sex sells mentality and billion dollar pornography industry has resulted in the complete objectification of women to the point they are almost dehumanized. This is GGW is just improvised pornography.

The girls do it because they lack self esteem and want attention, they are drunk and society says it's OK because they see Brittney Spears and Paris Hilton and Pamela Andersen all in the limelight and being praised for the same behavior.

This sort of media creates what is known as a rape culture in America. Rape is a serious problem in the United States today. We have the highest rape rate known. It is 4 X higher than that of Germany, 13 X higher than that of England and 20 X higher than that of Japan.

Rape culture is a widely used term within women's studies and feminism describing a culture in which rape and other sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media condone, normalize, excuse, or encourage sexualized violence. Within the paradigm, acts of "harmless" sexism are commonly employed to validate and rationalize normative misogynistic practices; for instance, sexist jokes may be told to foster disrespect for women and an accompanying disregard for their well-being, which ultimately make their rape and abuse seem acceptable. Examples of behaviors said to typify rape culture include victim blaming, trivializing prison rape, and sexual objectification.
en.wikipedia.org...

Above is a chart showing the estimated rape rate per 100,000 people in the United States between 1960 and 1998. The rape rate in the US in 1998 was 34.4 per 100,000 persons. In 1997 there was a decrease of 7% in the overall crime rate, but the rate of rape and sexual assault did not decline at all. (National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997)

Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victims of sexual assault (National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997). A study among college women has shown that 1 out of every 5 college age women report being forced to have sexual intercourse. (1995 National College Health Risk Behavior Survey) 22% of all women say that they have been forced to do sexual things against their will, where only 3% of men admit to ever forcing themselves on a woman. (Laumann, 1994)
sa.rochester.edu...

A flag, then, for a first-class thread. Kudos not just to the OP, but to all involved in an intelligent and thoughtful discussion. With a few exceptions, most of you seem to realize that the subject is a difficult and nuanced one, and that the stock answers from religion, 'family values', psychology, the social sciences, biology and even economics don't fit very well.

It's great to see the PPM Forum working the way it's supposed to. This thread is, in my view, the best here to date.

On the topic itself, I'm afraid I have little to add. When it comes to human behaviour I tend to look for solutions in economics and evolutionary biology, but the OP has identified an area -- human female sexual behaviour -- where all bets are currently off. Human sexuality is protean. It has taken varied forms in different cultures and periods of history. Now this shapeshifting beast is being radically remodelled by technology and the chaotic, ongoing revolution we call global society. In particular, some consequences of the new-media explosion -- for example, the rise of celebrity culture and the massification of porn, which has gone from a niche industry operating out of backstreet holes and corners to a multibillion-dollar commodity within arm's reach of everybody -- are having profound and complex effects on sexuality.

Oddly enough, no-one on the thread has yet mentioned the most important factor in this reinvention of sexuality: the altered power balance between men and women. The worldwide and growing empowerment of women began with their absorption into the workforce in huge numbers in Britain, the USSR and America during the Second World War. It was assured in the 1960s with the introduction of reliable contraceptive methods that were under women's rather than men's control.

The chap who blames the feminists and the lady who agreed with him may have a point... but only up to a point. I think feminism was a necessary and inevitable product of its time. It was a result, not a cause of female empowerment and the sexual revolution. The feminists were simply thinking thoughts that needed to be thought and expressing in words what needed to be expressed about the consequences of that revolution. I know a great many feminists, and not one of them is a slut; the young women who parade their all-too-public private parts on television are certainly not feminists, whatever their claimed sexual politics might be.

I expect a few of these girls will use the fig-leaf of sexual liberation to cover up their own native lubriciousness, but I don't suppose many really bother. It is the people who sponsor, produce and air the TV programmes who use feminist rhetoric to jusify what they are doing. But liberation is not their goal. There is a good old-fashioned word for their work: it is called pandering.

On competitiveness: it is a given among both men and women. We just compete for different things. Men compete for status; women compete for men. At the moment, the competition among women is vicious and unceasing precisely because female human sexuality is caught up in the confusion of change; no-one really knows what the ground rules are in this new feminized, overmediated, porn-saturated world. And not only have the rules changed, the prizes have too: men aren't the same as they used to be.

Actually, this is a great time to be a man. Women have never been so available, so aware of what men want, so competitively eager to provide it for them and so willing to sell themselves cheaply. Happy days indeed for serial fornicators and sexual predators. No wonder bad guys are getting the most girls.

reply to post by Astyanax

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If I could flag your post I would... You got something there-- the balance of the "sexual" powers are shifting. This is what I would like to elaborate on...

What are the repercussions on society and traditional institution?




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i think it's less of any grandois revolution or sexual awakening, but rather a concerted effort to keep people more and more distracted using explicit sexuality (and anything close to it)

so that they spend less and less time focusing on the serious going ons of the world.

distractions.. bread and circus.
pacifiers for the masses playing on their instinctual base urges.


sure you can say... anybody will do anything for money.. or .. anyone will eventually come up with this or that... as a business idea etc.. in a capitalistic society... and get a few wrist slaps etc.... "the market decides" etc..

true but those in control who would reign in specific oversteppings of morality and obscenity in the public at large.. on the airwaves etc... are repeatedly letting material that's sexually explicit fly around as common if not more common.. than the news of the day.. (which isn't the real important news anyway)

so.. i think it's just for distraction.

hey.. don't look there.. look here..oooh you want this don't you monkey.. yea look at THIS . not THAT.


etc....

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Originally posted by Astyanax

The chap who blames the feminists and the lady who agreed with him may have a point... but only up to a point. I think feminism was a necessary and inevitable product of its time. It was a result, not a cause of female empowerment and the sexual revolution. The feminists were simply thinking thoughts that needed to be thought and expressing in words what needed to be expressed about the consequences of that revolution. I know a great many feminists, and not one of them is a slut; the young women who parade their all-too-public private parts on television are certainly not feminists, whatever their claimed sexual politics might be.

I agree with Astyanax and especially the point that they definitely are not feminists, quite the opposite in my opinion. There are many girls like this where I live and it's obvious they have no self esteem at all, plenty of babies though. I think the UK has the highest rate of single underage/young mothers. I look at them and despair at what they are doing with their lives and also with the men that so crassly use them, have they no respect for themselves either?

I don't know where this downward spiral is going to end but it surely can't continue, we have a large percentage of a whole generation that have nothing of value in their lives and value nothing but material goods and physical satisfaction.

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That's a good question, Razor, let's try that again;

Why not?

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