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posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:26 PM
This post has been high quality. Thanks to the OP for staying with it and giving so many responses. Personally, I'm no expert in ET doings. I mostly approach the subject from a telepath's perspective. Let me tell you, they are a "hard read". You wouldn't want to play poker with one of those greys. I get an impression of a controlling intelligence that is electrical in nature.
If we could read their minds, we could steal their technology. Maybe.

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 09:13 PM
reply to post by mikesingh

Mike - altho I don't necessarily agree with your post, I think you raise an interesting point in the context of this thread:

I myself completely believe 100% in the UFO phenomenon in the sense that it is not all hoaxes and mis-identifications. But I am not entirely ready to accept the idea it's all as simple as visitors from another planet (which is why this thread intrigues me so much).

But having said that I do completely believe there is some sort of cover-up (of something) in place. The bizarre way in which the military has responded to so many cases such as Stephenville, Phoenix, Rendlesham, Kecksberg, Roswell, etc. really is too much to ignore.

Applebiter has already mentioned how there seem to be forces in place that are trying to prevent us from reaching this supposed higher awareness.

But my question is why? There are plenty of reasons people come up with for the suppression of advanced alien technology, mostly revolving around greed and control.

But suppression of enlightenment? You'd think anyone who has achieved it would be do that. Most people that preach this kind of thing seem intent on sharing it with as many people as possible rather than hording it all for themselves.

Perhaps it's just an issue of not looking at it through such rose colored glasses, but this is one case where I'm going to have a hard time believing it's all so the NWO can make more money to enjoy in this material world.

Anyway, I get the sense Applebiter is going to address this stuff in part 3, so I eagerly await the next post

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 09:46 PM
I'm beginning to think that Part II has been sealed. How could there be so few hits, given the interest in this thread?

There is something happening with an acquaintance of mine. I'm wondering if he thinks I shouldn't post Part 3. If it's important to not just come right out with it, I will refrain. Honestly, no one has told me directly to STFU, and so I thought it would be OK.

However, the suspicious lack of activity of Part II is at this time a question mark in my mind. I'm not going to post anything else until I give it more thought.

It may just be too damn early to give away the farm. I have sworn no oaths to National Security or to any related fraternities, and so the decision to go ahead is mine to make. I don't want to screw it up.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by applebiter]

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 10:41 PM
Well part of the reason part 2 got fewer hits I'm sure is because all the goofs who clicked on DISCLOSURE the first time and thought "ZOMG!! this is it!!! Someone else is going to spoon-feed me everything I want to hear about UFO's!!" refused to make the same mistake twice once they realized your topic requires actual reading and critical thinking.

But other than that, to be honest, I don't know if I agree with part 2 - I mean I think I get what you're trying to say and where you're going with it but it's also sort of counterintuitive to the points you made about ligers and Nephilim and what not.

Those things are products of mixing genetic diversity rather than preserving bloodlines.

I like the idea of a Universal Consciousness because it implies that nature itself is a "living" entity. The "we are one" idea also has biological merit because, really we are - we all came from some initial primordial lifeforce and elements of that could still be mysteriously imprinted somewhere in our DNA.

But nature for the most part seems intent on mutating and evolving in it's own esoteric process - so going against this principle seems kind of contradictory to me.

Anyway, I really hope you do post part 3 because you've made a lot of great points and I'd like to see the whole picture, ESPECIALLY if someone else doesn't want you to show it!

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 10:56 PM
reply to post by mc_squared

Part II suffers from the Second Act blues. It's the taint of the trilogy.

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 11:36 PM
reply to post by son of PC

i was going to U2U you but i need more posts first

what method(s) did you learn telepathy by?

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 11:40 PM

Originally posted by applebiter
reply to post by mc_squared

Part II suffers from the Second Act blues. It's the taint of the trilogy.

Well it's still been a really good show overall...

Now don't leave all of us jackrabbits hanging just 'cause the turtles changed the channel!

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 11:52 PM

Originally posted by mc_squared

I like the idea of a Universal Consciousness because it implies that nature itself is a "living" entity.

Yep! Have you read the books written by the great Indian sage, Vivekananda? Says the universe is within us, we are part of it and it is part of us.

Now this has meanings that could border on the incomprehensible. If the universe is within us, then universal consciousness is a reality. If it is, what of telepathy, clairvoyance, time and FTL travel? Philosophy and science come together here and that is where it starts getting to be incredibly complex. But it's fascinating all the same!


posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 11:53 PM
reply to post by applebiter

good post...bravo
I wanted to comment on the mystery of language. It seams to me that what becomes lost in language, thus confusing everyone, is truth. When I say truth, I don't mean going to school to learn something, but actually going through real life experience(s) that gives the individual the self witnessed credentials to know what they are speaking about. Example....How many "Experts" will tell you who is at fault for 911, but they themselves witnessed nothing, other than video and a million blog posts, plus a dash of ATS. Or How many people will tell you about space, the moon, the sun, black holes, how to get there, how to get back, what not blah, blah, blah...But these same people have NO REAL experience. I was one of these people until I had a "mystical experience" in which, "the all" began conversing with me. This was not a fun all. Wouldn't the world, be so much better if people only spoke truth according to what they absolutely knew because they had experienced "it" for themselves. Look how well people can set down their differences, when a "truth" like disaster happens. All the sudden, no more confusion, because a common "Truth" now appears....such as "We need Food" "We need shelter"...etc anyways, just my sense. Peace

posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 11:54 PM
This was a great thread. The OP deserves applause. Very good.--PC

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:00 AM
And to the OP, with all due respect, you don't have a clue as to what you are up against. Take care --------PC

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:15 AM
applebiter, I have read some of what you have posted,however not all of yet as I must be off to bed for work tomorrow.I must say though you give a lot of food for thought and I find myself keenly intrigued by your research.I have saved this thread in my favorites to come back to and as of yet I have not been in the least disappointed.Bravo to you...don't stop searching as I believe that is ingrained in our inner self...the search for why we are here.

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:18 AM
reply to post by mikesingh

I haven't read any - but I'll look into it!... I just recently got started on Vallee's famous trilogy so that's going to keep me busy for a while.

But any time anyone mentions bringing together Physics and Philosophy I smile. Because we definitely need more of that.

As exciting as Theoretical Physics is these days I often feel they're so busy crunching the numbers trying to understand our Universe they often overlook our own precarious position within it. Rawsom made some great points about this on page 4 as well.

This thread overall has been amazing, not just in terms of the OP but also the great responses and dialogue it has generated. ...ATS at it's best imo

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:23 AM

Originally posted by son of PC
And to the OP, with all due respect, you don't have a clue as to what you are up against. Take care --------PC


You may be right. In the past few hours I have received "signals" from other places indicating that I should cease and desist. It would be preferable to get a man to man communication; something that felt like a respectful request. I'm a patriot. I can do "for the greater good".

It's the being treated like cattle part that chaps my ass.

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:32 AM
reply to post by applebiter

Every time you allude to such things I get more and more intrigued!

Anyway if you're considering more discreet ways of getting the information out - I would like to officially request being on the U2U/mailing list.

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:37 AM
reply to post by mc_squared

It doesn't work that way. If the Big Blue Brother says STFU, then you STFU. I self-selected into knowledge way above my pay-grade. They make the mystery, and then they get pissed when you figure it out. I'm stumped.

That having been said, I think that the next couple of years are going to be crazy. I'm going to postpone Part 3 for now.

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 02:14 AM
reply to post by applebiter

I am curious about some of your assertions.

I've read that the red hair gene that the Neandertals carried and the one human's carry are actually different genes according to some research from last year dealing with the Neandertal genome.

Neanderthals 'were flame-haired'

"We found a variant of MC1R in Neanderthals which is not present in modern humans, but which causes an effect on the hair similar to that seen in modern redheads," said lead author Carles Lalueza-Fox, assistant professor in genetics at the University of Barcelona, Spain.

The article mentions that only some had the red hair gene and it is likley they had blonde and brown hair as well. It also seems to imply they had fair skin. Another interesting bit of the article is the FoxP2 DNA seuqence, which suggests they had language and speech like humans. It noted chimps, our closest genetic relatives, do not have this FoxP2 sequence.

Where did you get the idea they may have had green and blue eyes?

From my understanding the Blue eyed gene didn't enter the human genome until after the Neandertals had been extinct for thousands of years.

Blue-eyed Humans Have A Single, Common Ancestor

ScienceDaily (Jan. 31, 2008) — New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye colour of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.

I have also read that it may be possible that the Neandertals contributed DNA to the European genome. Mitochondrial DNA studies imply that no interbreeding took place though. The Neandertal Genome Project on the other hand has shown that human and Neandertal DNA are 99.5% identical, compared to say chimps which are 98.77% identical. A study in 2006 found here:
Suggests that 5% of the genes of West Africans and Europeans have two outside archaic sources. One is suspected to be Neandertals and the other has yet to be identified. I personally suspect the second source is Chimpanzees.

Chimps are human, gene study implies

The new study found that 99.4 percent of the most critical DNA sites are identical in the corresponding human and chimp genes. With that close a relationship, the two living chimp species belong in the genus Homo, says Morris Goodman of Wayne State University in Detroit.

Human and Chimp Ancestors Might Have Interbred

The earliest known ancestors of modern humans might have reproduced with early chimpanzees to create a hybrid species, a new genetic analysis suggests.

Have you read that the Neandertal language was actually a musical language? The book The Singing Neanderthals: The Origins of Music, Language, Mind and Body by Steven J. Mithen suggests this idea.

Now I'm open to the idea of Neandertal and Chimpanzee hybrids, but I don't agree that the Nephilim are human-Neandertal hybrids. For one according to the Book of Enoch they are just like male Ligers, possesing hybrid vigor but Infertile. My guess is that whatever the source of the Nephilim are, they are less human than Neandertals.

I also don't think that would be related to Abduction phenomena. I have my own theories dealing with the Abduction phenomena, UFOs, etc. dealing more with altered states of consciousness and various projections that can be psychosomatic and psychokinetic.

They can be found here "They Come From Within"

[edit on 10/7/08 by MikeboydUS]

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 03:26 AM

Originally posted by applebiter
Actually, a long time has passed since then. Lots of genetic drift across climes. Hair and eye color are no real measure of cognitive inheritance. The d-allele, however, is linked to melanin production. Since one of the other parts of my hypothesis links many peoples from many climes, I'm not saying only white skinned, fair/red haired, green/blue eyes people have inherited this genetic legacy.

regardless of what your particularly saying, if these traits all came from the same source, where the physical traits are most prevalent, the mental traits should also be more prevalent. it's not complex.

Huh? Is it narcissistic that I'm using a picture of myself to represent me, or do I just "look" narcissistic to you? That's ridiculous. I suggest you scrap this area of your reasoning.
no, i'm saying your fair haired and white skinned, it's narcissistic to believe you have a pre disposed genetic make-up that allows you access to a higher consciousness. maybe you don't think this is true, it just suggests itself.

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 03:33 AM
Applebiter, what's happening that makes you want to STFU? Are you being threatened? If so, by whom? Is it a feeling you're getting or just weird things going on. Do tell. Thanks!

posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 07:58 AM
reply to post by Jeremy_Vaeni

That's hilarious. I had no idea such a society would still be in existence today, though, I'm sure, more for a novelty and dry satire than actually persuading other's that the earth is flat.

Found this excerpt from their mission statement rather amusing:

And now, after centuries in the Dark Ages, we believe that mankind as a whole is once again ready to embrace the truth that has forever been the Flat Earth Society. Using whatever means are deemed necessary and relying heavily on a callous disregard for the lives and well-being of our members, we have slowly but steadily been spreading the news.

OK. Sorry for the intrusion ... back to the topic at hand.

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