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40 'Smoking Guns' Collectively Proving That 9/11 Was An Inside Job

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posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by re22666
 


The response was to Golden. Weather or not someone believes me is not a concern of mine.

That being said, if you are indeed looking for some information, here you go:



i can see who the response is to. I am sorry, i do not remember ever addressing you before you "replied" to me the first time so i did not know that was a rule. i was simply stating if you had this stuff, lets see it. thats all. now if only you could do it without being an ass. bythe way, if you do not care if anyone believes you. why do you bother posting anything to prove you are right at all?

[edit on 7/24/2008 by re22666]

[edit on 7/24/2008 by re22666]




posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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i want to really hand it to throat yogurt. after dodging 5 different questions and running thread to thread to avoid answering for things he just could not explain...he finally responds with exactly what he was asked for. something to back up what he said. what do you know, even a blind man can hit a barn if he dodges enough tries until he finds one he can answer to.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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reply to post by re22666
 


re:

I do not care what people believe and do not believe. I post information for those that are interested. IF you agree with it. Fine. You don't. I wont loose sleep over it.

I make mistakes...and will admit when I do.

You can keep up your blasting me... I will not longer see your playground antics as you are on ignore.

(My first one here)

bye



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by re22666
 


re:

I do not care what people believe and do not believe. I post information for those that are interested. IF you agree with it. Fine. You don't. I wont loose sleep over it.

I make mistakes...and will admit when I do.

You can keep up your blasting me... I will not longer see your playground antics as you are on ignore.

(My first one here)

bye



wow so i finally give the guy credit for answering to SOMETHING and he ignores me. i just cannot get over how open mindedeveryone on here is. i just ask questions. sorry that is too rough for you.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:54 PM
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Where's Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California?

Where's Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts?

Where's Jude Larson, 31, of Los Angeles, California?

Where's Natalie Larson of Los Angeles, California?

Where's Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island?

Where's Michael Theodoridis, 32, of Boston, Massachusetts?

Why is Robin Caplin spelled "Kaplan" on your "manifest"?

Why is there a "Walid Iskandar" on your "manifest" who's not on the AP/CNN list?

Why is there a "Pendy Vamsikrich" on your "manifest" who's not on the AP/CNN list?

Why is there a "Kelly Booms" on your "manifest" who's not on the AP/CNN list?


#29

#72

Privacy.

Privacy.

#6

#78 seat 35c (it's almost cut off in the document) click the Boston Globe link

Why does some of my mail have my name spelled Boon?

He's also on the Boston link manifest. Why did you edit this question out?

Privacy.

Privacy.

The first sentence of the article you linked may explain it. So much for research or basic reading comprehension.

Feel free to point out any problems you have with the other three manifests.


(TY beat me to it.)


[edit on 24-7-2008 by Boone 870]

[edit on 24-7-2008 by Boone 870]



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Please let me know if you have any more questions.

Oh, I've got lots of questions.

How does anyone get on a AP/CNN passenger list because his father had "gotten word that his son and daughter-in-law were aboard the doomed flight?" That's beyond ridiculous. AP/CNN simply published the lists they were given and airlines don't put people on passenger manifests based on rumors. This couldn't be cleared up in the many months before the "final" passenger lists were available? Nice cover story, but what's this? honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2001/Sep/18/ln/ln15a.html

You forgot to answer these:

Why is there a "Walid Iskandar" on your "manifest" who's not on the AP/CNN list?

Why is there a "Kelly Booms" on your "manifest" who's not on the AP/CNN list?

And your answer to "why is there a "Pendy Vamsikrich" on your "manifest" who's not on the AP/CNN list" is "ask CNN?" I'm afraid I'll need a better answer than that.

I'm sure you'd like people to think that airlines weren't able to provide accurate passenger manifests months after 9/11 (the lists had already changed names and total numbers several times -- that "Walid Iskandar" is one name that comes to mind.)

This whole thing is as crazy as the rest of the "official" 9/11 story. If anybody had real passenger manifests, they would've produced them years ago. Hell, there would've been accurate lists days later.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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i just ask questions.


That's pretty funny. If you only ask questions, please explain all the insults you were throwing around earlier in this thread.

You are the rudest person I've ever encountered on these forums and if you wish to continue with the insults and the harassment of other members, I'm going to take it up with the moderator.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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reply to post by GoldenFleece
 

AP/CNN simply published the lists they were given and airlines don't put people on passenger manifests based on rumors.


Really? Are you sure about that?

How did CNN know that some of the passengers were widowers? I didn't see any of that information on the passenger manifest from the airline.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by GoldenFleece
 

AP/CNN simply published the lists they were given and airlines don't put people on passenger manifests based on rumors.


Really? Are you sure about that?

Really. I'm sure about that.


Originally posted by Boone 870

Privacy.

Privacy.

Privacy.

Privacy.


Were the first two on the list because their "father heard a rumor that they were on the flight" or for "privacy?" (whatever the hell THAT means!)

This ranks right up there with your explanation that Col. Gibney was flying civilians around in his F-16 on 9/11!

Really? Are you sure about that?


[edit on 24-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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ThroatYogurt already cleared that up.

It wasn't my explanation. What time did his flight occur?

BTW-I see that you didn't edit a question out, you added it after I copied the first list before you edited it. My apologies.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by re22666
 

i just ask questions.


That's pretty funny. If you only ask questions, please explain all the insults you were throwing around earlier in this thread.

You are the rudest person I've ever encountered on these forums and if you wish to continue with the insults and the harassment of other members, I'm going to take it up with the moderator.



please do.

i am rude. i get that when i have been rude to first. i am sorry that people do not like it when someone not only fights back but lashes back angrily when struck upon for no reason. i came here innocently asking questions when i first joined. people like throatyogurt and others were so quick to assume things for me, tell me what i thought, what i meant by my own words, and avoided discussing the topic in lieu of personal insults. i give back what i am given. sometimes i give much more. but i start from an innocent place always. and that can be backed up by following every one of my posts to its origin.
if you have a problem with me being rude, then maybe you should take it up with the hateful people that have made me sorely regret even finding this place sometimes.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Why is there a "Pendy Vamsikrich" in seat 36J on your manifest who's not on the AP/CNN list?

Ask CNN!


Pendyala Vamsikrishna Memorial Scholarship

The scholarship is being instituted by BITSAA International in honor of Pendyala Vamsikrishna or "Vamsi" ('92). Vamsi died in the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center. The scholarship was instituted in the first semester of the academic year 2002/03.

www.bitsaa.org...

Please let me know if you have any more questions.


Thanks, but here's the real explanation, which is par for the 9/11 course:


Strange Suicide Of A Flight 11 Passenger's Wife Raises More Doubt As To What Really Happened On The Four 911 Flights

By Greg Szymanski
12-3-5

Prasanna Kalahasthi, 25, a USC dental student and married to Pendyala Vamsikrishna, a Flight 11 passenger, killed herslf approximately one month after 9/11 in her Los Angeles apartment even though friends say she was 'in good spirits and determined to finish dental school.'

A friend of an alleged Flight 11 passenger said he was "shocked and amazed" after learning five weeks after 9/11 his friend's wife committed suicide in her Los Angeles apartment in an apparent act of despair.

But others were quick to point out that foul play has never been ruled out, according to several sources close to the suicide investigation.

Not only was this 9/11 suicide shocking and difficult to understand, but the alleged victim's husband, Pendyala Vamsikrishna of India, was never even listed on the original Flight 11 manifest, only appearing later as a passenger on a couple of conflicting unofficial lists.

Due to the numerous inconsistencies and irregularities on all four 9/11 flight manifests, critics of the official government story contend many of the passengers probably never existed at all or were concocted as the result of carefully constructed aliases, essentially faking their deaths.

Others who disagree with the official story for the most part buy into the drone theory, but theorize the unlucky passengers actually were killed by being transferred onto a single airliner and then either dumped into the Atlantic or taken to one of the many hidden underground government bases.


www.rense.com...



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by re22666
none of the given explanations add up and none of them actually hold up under any kind of scrutiny.


Why would you state that none of the explanations hold up?

What explanations are you talking about?



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by re22666
none of the given explanations add up and none of them actually hold up under any kind of scrutiny.


Why would you state that none of the explanations hold up?

What explanations are you talking about?


seriously? you are on that side of the fence now?
which story do you believe? the whitehouse's?
do you even know what i am talking about?
i do not think you read a whole thread before responding to someone. stop arguing with me. i never picked a fight with you. i do not know what you are trying to prove by fighting both truthers and debunkers but i will not waste any more time expecting you to be civil, or sane.



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 05:33 AM
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Just thought I'd give a link to those manifests that where posted by throatyogurt, I found them yesterday but after reading the suspicious description of them decided not to post them.
911research.wtc7.net...
It has the Moussaoui Trial Exhibits as well as the the faxed manifests that TY posted.



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by re22666
seriously? you are on that side of the fence now?
which story do you believe? the whitehouse's?
.


As stated i do not believe any story, i am doing research to find the truth of what happened that day.

So please be adult enough to answer the question.



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Thanks, but here's the real explanation, which is par for the 9/11 course:


Strange Suicide Of A Flight 11 Passenger's Wife Raises More Doubt As To What Really Happened On The Four 911 Flights


Golden,

You give me a list. I went over it and posted the information you were seeking.

CNN did NOT have him on the list. THEY made a mistake. You can see this in the spelling of the Kaplan name and the couple that was not on the plane.

Then you call the suicide of a woman the "real" story? The woman was distraught over the death of the man she loved and that goes in line with your theory? How?

Friends don't always know what goes on behind closed doors.

Your questions were answered, you once again dismiss them and move the goal posts.



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You give me a list. I went over it and posted the information you were seeking.

CNN did NOT have him on the list. THEY made a mistake. You can see this in the spelling of the Kaplan name and the couple that was not on the plane.

Then you call the suicide of a woman the "real" story? The woman was distraught over the death of the man she loved and that goes in line with your theory? How?

You didn't read far enough and seem to have missed a post above that. The real story is that there were two other names, Kelly Booms and Walid Iskander, in addition to Vamsikrishna that you were unable to account for. And this is just Flight 11.

The REAL story is, if you Google "9/11 passenger list", you'll quickly see that there has NEVER been definitive lists for ANY of the flights, either in numbers or names. And once again, there were NO hijacker names, not even any Arab names on the original passenger manifests:


Not only was this 9/11 suicide shocking and difficult to understand, but the alleged victim's husband, Pendyala Vamsikrishna of India, was never even listed on the original Flight 11 manifest, only appearing later as a passenger on a couple of conflicting unofficial lists.

Due to the numerous inconsistencies and irregularities on all four 9/11 flight manifests, critics of the official government story contend many of the passengers probably never existed at all or were concocted as the result of carefully constructed aliases, essentially faking their deaths.

Others who disagree with the official story for the most part buy into the drone theory, but theorize the unlucky passengers actually were killed by being transferred onto a single airliner and then either dumped into the Atlantic or taken to one of the many hidden underground government bases.



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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Here's another one of the endless 9/11 oddities:


Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the Social Security Death Index, or SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward

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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, NONE are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

That's right, no one.

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Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.

Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible to receive compensation? No, that's not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldnít sue the airlines.)


www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...

As always, when investigating any aspect of the "official" 9/11 story, it's just one crazy-ass thing after another.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece



The REAL story is, if you Google "9/11 passenger list", you'll quickly see that there has NEVER been definitive lists for ANY of the flights, either in numbers or names. And once again, there were NO hijacker names, not even any Arab names on the original passenger manifests:




Golden,

First let me address the SSDI.

Your name will only appear on this index if:

a. you received S.S. benefits.

or

b. your family mailed the S.S. office your death certificate.

This has been raised in the past. I ask you to do this:

Do an SSDI search of people that perished in a tragic event, ie: Space Shuttle Challenger, plane crashes, etc. You will see several names will be missing. Most obvious I would point out is Christa McCauliff from the Space Shuttle Challenger


Do you know how CNN obtained their victims list? It was a compilation of several news sources... they got it wrong.

As i mentioned prior. The Boston Globe obtained the manifest from flight 11 and printed it in their newspaper. Pendyala Vamsikrishna was on it. This was accurate.

You mention the victims compensation fund. Some family's chose to refuse the compensation offered and went ahead with their own law suits against the airlines, security, etc. This has been mentioned many times in the media for years now.

Simple explanations to the claims of oddities and inconsistencies.

The claims of a drone theory are baseless and IMO disgusting to the memories of the hero's on flight 93. As is the rest of your rant about the concoctions of the victims claiming they never existed.

Again, I will be more than happy to answer any other questions you may have.

:TY:




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