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40 'Smoking Guns' Collectively Proving That 9/11 Was An Inside Job

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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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From David Ray Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor":


1. The failure of standard operating procedures (SOP) to intercept Flight 11.

2. The failure of standard operating procedures to intercept Flight 175.

3. The failure of standard operating procedures to intercept Flight 77.

4. The fact that the official story as to these failures changed after 9/11.

5. The fact that, according to the second version of the official story, the order to scramble jet fighters to intercept Flights 11 and 175 went to Otis Air Force base instead of the nearer base, McGuire.

6. The fact that, according to this second version, the order to scramble jet fighters to protect Washington went to Langley Air Force base instead of the nearer base, Andrews.

7. The fact that, even given NORAD's timeline and the greater distances the pilots had to cover from Otis and Langley, their fighter jets, flying at full speed, should have reached New York and Washington in time to prevent the attacks on the South Tower and the Pentagon.

8. The fact that, according to this second version, the fighter jets that were too late to intercept Flights 11 and 175 were not ordered to continue on to Washington, even though it was then known that Flight 77 had been hijacked and, according to the official story, was headed back towards Washington.

9. Secretary of Transportation Norm Mineta's report of a conversation that may have reflected a stand-down order by Vice President Cheney.

10. The fact that in New York on 9/11, three steel-framed high-rise buildings, for the first time in history, collapsed because of fires -- quite localized fires at that, especially in the South Tower and Building 7.

11. The fact that the South Tower fell first even though, according to the hypothesis that the buildings collapsed because of fire, this tower, having been hit second and having the smaller fire, should not have colapsed first.

12. The multiple types of physical evidence that the Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed by means of controlled demolition. Because there are many types of such evidence -- such as the fact that the steel beams and columns were broken into pieces the right size to be loaded onto trucks -- this point could have been divided into many smoking guns.

13. Larry Silverstein's statement that he decided to "pull" WTC-7, combined with the evidence that the fire department had prior knowledge of the collapse, despite the lack of any physical evidence indicating imminent collapse.

14. Mayor Giuliani's statement that he knew in advance that the Twin Towers were going to collapse.

15. The quick removal of the steel from all three buildings -- especially Building 7, where there would have been no victims -- before it could be examined.

16. The fact that photographic evidence shows that the hole created in the Pentagon was much smaller than a hole created by a Boeing 757 would be.

17. The fact that photographs show that there were no remains of a large airliner in front of the crash site, even though, given that the small entrance hole, not all of a Boeing 757 could have gone inside.

18. The fact that witnesses also reported seeing no remains of a large jetliner inside the Pentagon.

19. The fact that the west wing, far from being the most likely part of the Pentagon for terrorists to target, was the least likely, as well as technically difficult to hit.

20. The fact that any non-military plane not having a transponder sending out a "friendly" signal, would have been automatically shot down by the Pentagon's battery of missiles.




[edit on 8-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]




posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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21. The extreme unlikelihood that a hijacked 757 could have flown undetected through American airspace, especially towards the Pentagon, for some 40 minutes.

22. The evidence that the Bush administration lied about not having shot down Flight 93.

23. The fact that President Bush gave the impression upon his arrival at the Sarasota school, even after a telephone conversation with Condoleeza Rice, that he was unaware that two more airliners, beyond the one that had crashed into the North Tower of the WTC, had been hijacked.

24. The fact that Bush, after being told about the attack on the South Tower, did not act like a commander in chief who was surprised to learn that the United States was suffering the greatest terrorist attack in it's history.

25. The fact that Bush and his entourage, including his Secret Service detail, showed no sign of fear that they would be attacked while in Florida, even though at that time they -- assuming the truth of the official account -- would have known neither how many planes had been hijacked nor what the terrorists' targets were.

26. The multiple denials by Bush administartion officials that they had had any idea that planes might be used as weapons in a terrorist attack against the United States, even though such knowledge was widespread -- partly because of warnings the Bush administration itself had received that terrorists were in fact planning such attacks.

27. The fact that the FBI must have had specific advance knowledge of the attacks, given (a) it's confiscation of dozens of films of the attack on the Pentagon within five minutes, (b) it's confiscation of student files from Florida flight schools within 18 hours, and (c) the reported testimony of FBI agents David Schippers and the New American) that they knew the dates and targets of the New Yorkattacks months in advance.

28. The repeated denial by Bush administration officials that they had received any specific advance knowledge about the attacks of 9/11, contradicting strong evidence to the contrary, including that provided by the purchases of enormous amounts of put options on United Airlines and American Airlines that were never claimed but later traced to CIA Executive Director A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard.

29. The evidence that although Osama bin Laden was officially America's "most wanted" criminal, he was treated by an American surgeon and visited by a CIA agent in an American hospital in Dubai two months prior to 9/11.

30. The evidence that local FBI agents in Minnesota, New York and Chicago were prevented by FBI headquarters from carrying out investigations that could have uncovered the plot.

31. The harassment and demotion of DIA agent Julie Sirrs after she brought back information about a plan in Afghanistan to assassinate Ahmad Massood.

32. The evidence that the Bush administration had already determined by July of 2001 that it would attack Afghanistan "by the middle of October at the latest," combined with the fact that the attacks of 9/11. by occurring on that date, gave the US military sufficient preparation time to begin it's assault on October 7.

33. The evidence that during the "Hunt for bin Laden" after 9/11, he and his al Qaeda (al-CIAduh) forces were repeatedly allowed to escape.

34. The evidence that the Bush Administration sought in multiple ways to conceal the connections between 9/11 and Pakistan's ISI.

35. The fact that the FBI, the Justice Department and the Air Force all refused to answer questions about the report that many of the (alleged) hijackers had received training in US flight schools that were connected with the CIA.

36. The multiple reasons to doubt the official conspiracy's tale of "Arab hijackers" (including the "hijackers" not being on any airline passenger manifest or government autopsy report and 6-7 of them reportedly still alive, etc.)

37. The firing and subsequent gagging of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds after she reported that a 9/11-related investigation was being sabotaged by a spy working on behalf of a foreign government.

38. The fact that while people such as Julie Sirrs and Sibel Edmonds have been punished, there have been no reports of punishment for anyone who incompetently or obstructively in connection to 9/11 -- whether in the FAA, FBI, CIA DIA, NORAD, or Pentagon.

39. The fact that the Bush administration has not revealed the identities of those who purchased the put options on United Airlines, American Airlines and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

40. The fact that the White House repeatedly obstructed the attempts of the 9/11 Commission -- as feeble as they've been -- to learn how the attacks of 9/11 could have succeeded.


[edit on 8-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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Notice all the people who keep screeching "THERE'S NO PROOF!" are strangely silent when proof is actually presented.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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People are going to have issues if they want to try and debunk Griffen. He has done a lot of research and has done it very well.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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Ok, so he says they didn't launch fighters from McGuire which was closer. Please explain how a tanker base that doesn't have fighters is going to launch fighters. They fly KC-10s, KC-135s, and now C-17s out of there. McGuire is home of the 54th Air Mobility Wing. They don't fly fighters out of there. What were they supposed to do, launch a KC-10 after them?


The Air Force selected McGuire as the likely site of a new squadron of C-17s in 2004. As of late 2001 McGuire had about 17 C-141 Starlifters attached to the 305th Air Mobility Wing's 6th Airlift Squadron and 514th Reserve Air Mobility Wing; 32 KC-10 Extenders in the 305th Air Mobility Wing and 20 KC-135 Stratotankers in the 108th Air Refueling Wing of the New Jersey Air National Guard. The base recently lost a squadron of C-141 Starlifters— about 15 planes— as the 1960s-era aircraft is being phased out.

www.globalsecurity.org...


Andrews was out of the alert business in the 1990s, until after 9/11. In the 1990s after the cold war ended the alert force around the nation underwent severe cuts in an effort to save money. Andrews was one of the units cut out of the alert force.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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Golden,

Where is the proof that 911 was an inside job?? You posted 40 "smoking guns" that have been hashed over so many times in here. They have all been debunked as well.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Andrews was out of the alert business in the 1990s, until after 9/11. In the 1990s after the cold war ended the alert force around the nation underwent severe cuts in an effort to save money. Andrews was one of the units cut out of the alert force.

Not quite true, according to their website that was archived in February 2001 and only changed shortly after 9/11:

web.archive.org...

And then there's the professional, 24/7, pseudo-skeptic, grandmaster 9/11 debunker ThroatYogurt (God, I love that screen name!) who saves a lot of time and effort by simply stating:


Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
[Golden,

You posted 40 "smoking guns" that have been hashed over so many times in here. They have all been debunked as well.




posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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Not quite true, according to their website that was archived in February 2001 and only changed shortly after 9/11:


Absolutely true, there is a difference between being combat ready and being on 15 minute alert for NORAD: SOURCE.




The Andrews-based 121st Fighter Sqdn. was not standing alert on Sept. 11, because the District of Columbia Air National Guard (DCANG) unit was not assigned to the North American Aerospace Defense Command air defense force.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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You're telling me that the AFB that's home to Air Force One has no standing-alert fighters.

Yeah, right.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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Yes, that's exactly what we're telling you. There were other units in the same area that could have responded to threats COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE of the US, which is exactly what the alert force was designed to do.

As for being the home of Air Force One, so what. If they were evacing, they would have put him on a helicopter, and had him at Andrews before an alert bird could have launched, and on the plane. Or they would have flown him to another more secure location.

And nowhere on that archive page you linked to does it say that they were standing alert from the 1990s until 9/11. I was on air force bases, during the cutbacks, and I had many inside sources and I know exactly what was going on with the alert force during that time. It was open knowledge for anyone in the right places.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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Mr Griffen is really grasping at straws I see.




11. The fact that the South Tower fell first even though, according to the hypothesis that the buildings collapsed because of fire, this tower, having been hit second and having the smaller fire, should not have colapsed first


Complete and total ignorance shown here. Appearantly, Mr Griffen is completely unaware that it was the damage AND the fire that caused the buildings to collapse. The south tower, suffered from far greater stresses due to the angle of impact, and the position of the impact. There was a hell of a lot more weight being supported by the damaged area on the south tower as opposed to the north tower.




12. The multiple types of physical evidence that the Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed by means of controlled demolition. Because there are many types of such evidence -- such as the fact that the steel beams and columns were broken into pieces the right size to be loaded onto trucks -- this point could have been divided into many smoking guns


More ignorance. Several hundred steelworkers used torches to cut the debris into managable sections. Unless you are dumb enough to believe that somehow the bad guys managed to plant explosives every 15 feet of the 1,300 feet of the towers in a single 36 hour period.




13. Larry Silverstein's statement that he decided to "pull" WTC-7, combined with the evidence that the fire department had prior knowledge of the collapse, despite the lack of any physical evidence indicating imminent collapse


Gee lets see, FDNY had watched two buildings collapse from damage and fire, entombing over 300 of their brothers....and then they were staring at another heavily damaged, heavily burning building and they figured it was probably going to collapse too.....I wont even bother to address the "pull it" comment, because that has been discussed more than once on ATS.



15. The quick removal of the steel from all three buildings -- especially Building 7, where there would have been no victims -- before it could be examined.


Quick? Eight months is quick? Not to mention that dozens of engineers spent months examining the steel at the landfills it was taken to.




16. The fact that photographic evidence shows that the hole created in the Pentagon was much smaller than a hole created by a Boeing 757 would be.



Lets see...total length of impact area at the Pentagon...94ish feet, wingspan of 757, 120ish feet...not really that much smaller.





17. The fact that photographs show that there were no remains of a large airliner in front of the crash site, even though, given that the small entrance hole, not all of a Boeing 757 could have gone inside.


More ignorance here. Plenty of pictures of airliner wreckage at the Pentagon online.




18. The fact that witnesses also reported seeing no remains of a large jetliner inside the Pentagon.


Out and out LIE.





19. The fact that the west wing, far from being the most likely part of the Pentagon for terrorists to target, was the least likely, as well as technically difficult to hit.


Fact...no, Opinion YES.




20. The fact that any non-military plane not having a transponder sending out a "friendly" signal, would have been automatically shot down by the Pentagon's battery of missiles.


More lies. The Pentagon did not have missile batteries that day. And the anti air systems that the US military does use...look for codes that are only used on MILITARY aircraft in deciding hostiles.




22. The evidence that the Bush administration lied about not having shot down Flight 93.


No, the evidence shows that Flight 93 was INTACT at impact with the ground. (dont mention the papers and fabrics that were blown by the wind)




24. The fact that Bush, after being told about the attack on the South Tower, did not act like a commander in chief who was surprised to learn that the United States was suffering the greatest terrorist attack in it's history.


Another assumption. I guess you expected him to jump up and run out of the room, scaring the hell out of the children? BTW the Principal of that school (a Gore supporter) has said on more than one occasion that in her opinion, President Bush did the right thing in not rushing out.




25. The fact that Bush and his entourage, including his Secret Service detail, showed no sign of fear that they would be attacked while in Florida, even though at that time they -- assuming the truth of the official account -- would have known neither how many planes had been hijacked nor what the terrorists' targets were.


Umm, why would the Secret Service show fear? Not to mention unless there is a direct threat to the President, they are NOT going to rush him out of a building, prior to resweeping the area around that building and ensuring that there isnt a possible sniper in hiding.




36. The multiple reasons to doubt the official conspiracy's tale of "Arab hijackers" (including the "hijackers" not being on any airline passenger manifest or government autopsy report and 6-7 of them reportedly still alive, etc.)


No, the hijackers never showed up on the VICTIMS lists. They did show up on the passenger lists....get it straight.

Still amazing that morons still think that each and every name in the world is unique and is never duplicated.




39. The fact that the Bush administration has not revealed the identities of those who purchased the put options on United Airlines, American Airlines and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.


Maybe because thousands of such options were placed on those companies numerous times in 2001 (and in the years prior to 2001)? 9/11/01 didnt even involve the HIGHEST total of options on the airlines that year.




6. The fact that, according to this second version, the order to scramble jet fighters to protect Washington went to Langley Air Force base instead of the nearer base, Andrews.


Because Langley was the nearest NORAD alert base. Andrews was not.

(gross stupidity shown by a complete lack of understanding on the structure of the Air Force.)




Text7. The fact that, even given NORAD's timeline and the greater distances the pilots had to cover from Otis and Langley, their fighter jets, flying at full speed, should have reached New York and Washington in time to prevent the attacks on the South Tower and the Pentagon


Seventeen minutes to launch, travel and then set up an effective air intercept over NYC? Give me a break. Better yet, actually LEARN something about the subject before you shoot off your mouth.




10. The fact that in New York on 9/11, three steel-framed high-rise buildings, for the first time in history, collapsed because of fires -- quite localized fires at that, especially in the South Tower and Building 7.


No, they collapsed because of structural damage and widespread fires....including WTC 7



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Yes, that's exactly what we're telling you. There were other units in the same area that could have responded to threats COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE of the US, which is exactly what the alert force was designed to do.

That's exactly what "we're" telling you? Uhhh, who's "we're?"


Where were they on 9/11?

Andrews AFB intercepts jet near White House


Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Air Force fighter jets scrambled Monday to intercept a private jet that flew too close to the White House, triggering a security scare that led Vice President Dick Cheney and President Bush's chief of staff to be moved to a secure location.

The plane was later determined not to be a threat. The president was away at the time, on a trip to Arkansas and South Carolina, and his wife, Laura, had a speaking engagement in Maine.

Cheney and White House chief of staff Andrew Card were moved temporarily as a precautionary measure, said presidential spokesman Scott McClellan. They resumed their normal routines soon thereafter, said McClellan, who was with Bush in Little Rock, Ark.

The privately owned plane was detected flying down the Potomac River toward Washington when it entered restricted airspace, said Secret Service spokeswoman Jean Mitchell.

The fighters were scrambled from nearby Andrews Air Force in Maryland and they intercepted the plane, escorting it out of the area, she said.

"He was within eight miles" of the White House, she said. "It's enough to affect our emergency response plan." Armed officers took up positions on the White House lawn during the incident...



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:56 PM
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I'm not telling you anything. Aviation week, the 121st FS commander, the 113th logistics group commander, the NEADS commander, and every other commander all the way to the top are telling you that there were no alert fighters at Andrews Air Force Base on September 11, 2001.

Why do you choose to take the word of a liar, who does not provide any sources for his lies, over everyone else that was actually involved?



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 07:56 PM
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You are kidding us right? Posting a story from a year or two AFTER 9/11 in an attempt to show that the DC ANG was standing alerts ON 9/11????



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by GoldenFleece
 


You are kidding us right? Posting a story from a year or two AFTER 9/11 in an attempt to show that the DC ANG was standing alerts ON 9/11????

Apparently you haven't been following the discussion or have a reading deficit disorder.

Allow me to quote from the DCANG website (archived February, 2001.)


DCANG MISSION

To provide combat units in the highest
possible state of readiness. We will support
the Air Force and other DOD agencies. We
will provide operational support to our
local communities whenever possible.


web.archive.org...



[edit on 9-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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NOW, point out which part says "The DC ANG provides 24 hour a day combat alert status...." oh wait, prior to 9/11 it DID NOT. I read quite well and know a wee bit about continental air defense. Do you?

EVERY frigging military unit has a line about providing combat ready units.....but NOT for 24-7-365 alert.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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We're. As in WE ARE, as in more than one person. Hmm, how many people are telling you that the DCANG wasn't standing alert on 9/11? Two? As in WE?



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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NOW, point out which part says "The DC ANG provides 24 hour a day combat alert status...." oh wait, prior to 9/11 it DID NOT. I read quite well and know a wee bit about continental air defense.

Then maybe you can tell me what the "highest possible state of readiness" means.

Fighters operational Monday to Friday, 9 to 5. Nights, weekends, holidays and Air Force One emergencies, please contact Langley.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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it means that they are able to DEPLOY overseas quickly, NOT maintain a ready alert



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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it means that they are able to DEPLOY overseas quickly, NOT maintain a ready alert



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