Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by Taxi-Driver
You conveniently ignore the fact that according to a two year-old Scripps-Howard poll, over a third of the nation thinks 9/11 was an inside job.
P.S. I like your skull 'n bones avatar. Almost reminds me of, uhhh, Skull and Bones.
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[edit on 9-7-2008 by GoldenFleece]
Two things ...
First - Uh, you need to go back to your own source and read it again. Here's what it says:
More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks OR took no action to stop
them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.
Notice the word "OR" in the first sentence. You saying a third of Americans believe the government assisted in the 9/11 attacks would be a mistake.
The story is lumping the two stats together. The second stat, saying that we did nothing to stop them, is a far cry from saying that we did nothing on
purpose. Did we do nothing on purpose or did we do nothing because we had never faced a situation like that before and it caught us with our pants
down? The poll doesn't say and you cannot assume anything.
Second:
Zogby says 5% of America strongly agrees with that statement, that 9/11 was carried out by our government and 4% somewhat agree, which means they
think they government had a hand in it but was not entirely responsible. Even if you took the the full 9% plus the +3% margin of error for 12%,
that's a far cry from one-third (about 33%).
So either way, the numbers you cite are bunk.
Now, allow me to disagree with the assertion that the U.S. did nothing to stop the terrorist attacks. I would argue that people who say the U.S. govt
did nothing to stop the attacks don't know the full story.
From the section on Interagency Collaboration:
The protocols did not contemplate an intercept. They assumed the fighter escort would be discreet, "vectored to a position five miles directly
behind the hijacked aircraft," where it could perform its mission to monitor the aircraft's flight path.105
In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that
the hijacked aircraft would be readily identifiable and would not attempt to disappear;
there would be time to address the problem through the appropriate FAA and NORAD chains of command; and
hijacking would take the traditional form: that is, it would not be a suicide hijacking designed to convert the aircraft into a guided missile.
On the morning of 9/11, the existing protocol was unsuited in every respect for what was about to happen.
and
Military Notification and Response. Boston Center did not follow the protocol in seeking military assistance through the prescribed chain of
command. In addition to notifications within the FAA, Boston Center took the initiative, at 8:34, to contact the military through the FAA's Cape Cod
facility. The center also tried to contact a former alert site in Atlantic City, unaware it had been phased out. At 8:37:52, Boston Center reached
NEADS. This was the first notification received by the military-at any level-that American 11 had been hijacked:115
And the MOST IMPORTANT paragraph to pay attention, in my opinion:
F-15 fighters were scrambled at 8:46 from Otis Air Force Base. But NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft, and the officer
directing the fighters pressed for more information: "I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination." Because
the hijackers had turned off the plane's transponder, NEADS personnel spent the next minutes searching their radar scopes for the primary radar
return. American 11 struck the North Tower at 8:46. Shortly after 8:50, while NEADS personnel were still trying to locate the flight, word reached
them that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.119
Radar data show the Otis fighters were airborne at 8:53. Lacking a target, they were vectored toward military-controlled airspace off the Long Island
coast. To avoid New York area air traffic and uncertain about what to do, the fighters were brought down to military airspace to "hold as needed.
"From 9:09 to 9:13, the Otis fighters stayed in this holding pattern.120
In summary, NEADS received notice of the hijacking nine minutes before it struck the North Tower. That nine minutes' notice before impact was the
most the military would receive of any of the four hijackings.121
The last paragraph says it all. Makes a lot more sense doesn't it?
My source is:
govinfo.library.unt.edu...
[edit on 9-7-2008 by sos37]
