Originally posted by tezzajw
Remind me again what threat the Vietnamese army posed to invading the USA and taking away the rights of people to comfortably live today?
No, he wasn't defending anyone's right to be safe and sound on their homeland. He, like many others, were pawns in a political pissing contest.
I'll remind you.
You could do about thirty minutes of research and learn this, but you'd probably get distracted by all the lies, which apparently you've already
fallen prey to.
The US, South Vietnam, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and France comprised the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization, a group that agreed on terms
of mutual protection, viewing any attack on a member nation as an attack on all member nations. Not surprisingly, France decided to not participate,
except to offer accommodations for the idiotic Paris Peace talks, where delegates argued endlessly over the shape of the table.
But I digress. Ever since the end of WWII, the US and the free world was in an ongoing struggle to quash the global expansion of Communism. There
were many hot fronts in the so-called Cold War in nations that served as proxies for the Chinese and the Soviet Union, who strangely enough had plenty
of conflicts between themselves.
There was the war in Korea pitting the Communist north against the Democratic south that eventually the Chinese entered in support of the communist
North Koreans. This development resulted in one of the most deadly and vicious battles in all of history at the Chosin Reservoir. You can Google it
and all the actions which will be named here. North Korea still remains a threat to world peace and the war has never been declared over. It remains
Then there were the Communist efforts in South and Latin America, which continue in some form to this day. Cuba fell. War raged in Nicaragua.
Venezuela is run by a Communist dictator. Colombia is ravaged by Marxist guerrillas who fuel the drug trade and profit from kidnapping mostly
Africa was also the site of several hot wars in which communists sought to gain a foothold. The war in Angola comes to mind. The African National
Congress of South Africa was a communist organization fueled by the Soviet Union. There was the war in Rhodesia. There are more I'm sure.
There were other proxy wars around the globe that were called civil wars when in fact they were wars for Communist world domination. The Spanish
Civil war was fueled by Communists as was the Greek Civil War. There was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
And of course we cannot forget Vietnam Cambodia and Laos.
So, it is not particularly hard to understand that the Cold War was really WW-III, fought between Communist nations and the free world in the form of
probably a dozen proxy wars around the globe.
The global expansion of Communism was a direct threat to the United States and our freedom and direct war between the US and the Soviets might well
have occurred if it hadn't have been for the policy of "mutually-assured destruction."
As stated before, what drew the US into the war in Vietnam was a treaty that obligated member nations to come to the aid of the South Vietnamese. You
may not know it, but the Australians, the New Zealanders, and the South Koreans were all involved in combat operations in Vietnam to one extent or the
It was also feared that the fall of South Vietnam would lead to a "domino effect" that would take down Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand, among
So, even to the casual, but objective observer, the US had quite a lot at stake in Vietnam. Vietnam was the US stand against the spread of Communism
in Southeast Asia and a show of force to the Communist giants, the Soviet Union and China.
The American military fought gallantly in Vietnam and had by 1969 or 1970 put the North Vietnamese on their backs.
Why did the war last so much longer? Well, mainly because we had so many enemy sympathizers in the US and especially in the academy, where
self-centered, hedonistic college students were easy prey for professors who preached their message of Marxism in their classrooms, even if the class
was math or English. Literature books were even full of Marxist and pacifist propaganda.
Well, I think almost everyone knows the rest of the story.
Despite a military victory on the ground in South Vietnam, brainwashed American kids turned the our streets and campuses into battlegrounds and
eventually the will of the American people was broken and America fell to the enemy and began to vilify the young men they had sent to war. The once
who loyally answered the call and fought in a foreign land to preserve the freedom of people they did not know and would probably never see again.
The left doesn't talk about the truth of the aftermath of the war. They forget that they forced a withdrawal of combat troops in 1973 and that it
would be another two years before the North Vietnamese gained enough strength to successfully invade the South and overtake Saigon.
The result of that was the murder of millions of Southeast Asians in the carnage that followed and the suffering caused by the massive boat lift of
Vietnamese trying their best to escape certain death by the Communists. Millions died in Cambodia by Communist leader Pol Pot, who like Mao murdered
people simply for having an education.
Naturally, the US did not fall because of our capitulation in Vietnam and many feel that just because we did not fall that Vietnam was a waste, or
unnecessary, or that it had nothing at all to do with our freedom at home.
The reality is that our stand against the Communists in Vietnam was a huge drain on Communism globally and to some extent their cause was damaged even
though it would be nearly two decades before the Soviet Union would fall, taking a lot of wind out of the global expansion agenda.
But, don't relax too much because the threat is not over. We still have Marxists aplenty in the US and very many of them are poisoning the minds of
the youth who can quote Marx, but consider the Founders to be dead white men.
It is really only a willfully obtuse and selfish person who would support the cause of the enemies of America during a time of war. That's about as
nice as I can put it.
But that is what happened then and it is what is happening now with the war on Islamist terrorism.
The propaganda includes calling our warriors murderers, claiming that 9/11 was an inside job and denigrating our president at every turn and even the
Republican nominee because he wants America to defeat terrorism, too.
Just like with Vietnam, a large portion of the American people are actively supporting the enemy and eventually, these lunatics will support an enemy
that is capable of bringing America to its knees.
For all those who are still claiming that the war in Vietnam was immoral, illegal and unnecessary should really give it a rest. That war is over and
you're not going the be called to fight it no matter what. The lies have served their purpose.
Excerpts from an interview with Col. Bui Tin, NVA.
Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?
A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our
leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like
Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We
were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that
she would struggle along with us.
Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?
A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power
in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.
Q: What about the results [of Tet '68]?
A: Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise;. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned
political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election. The second and third waves in May and September were, in
retrospect, mistakes. Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to re-establish our presence,
but we had to use North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. If the American forces had not begun to withdraw under Nixon in 1969, they could have
punished us severely. We suffered badly in 1969 and 1970 as it was.
[edit on 2008/7/9 by GradyPhilpott]